Lack of RCD protection on Sockets a C2?

[telectrix]

a "thanks " would not be verbiose. lol. :15:

 

[Des 56]

120.1
This standard contains the rules for the design and erection of electrical installations so as to provide for safety and proper functioning for the intended use
(my bold +_ underline)

Above is reg that sets out the object of the regulations
It references new installations and additions and alterations to existing

The rest of the book is how the standard is achieved by the various rules
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Its all a judgement call,the expert standing against you in the witness box cannot reference anything in the current regs and state that it applies to the older versions,because the current regs only apply to the design and erection of new installations

An existing installation wired to a previous edition needs judgement on the seriousness of the non conformities
If it complies with an earlier edition and now falls short,how short?
Where is the line drawn?
How old has the referenced edition to be before it can be discarded ?

It even states in black and white in the current regs that older editions may not comply with current, but it does not necessarily mean they are unsafe

The guy in the dock needs to show that he is well versed in todays requirements,he is competent to report his findings
The guy should also always report only on what his experience permits.if he has no knowledge or experience of earlier editions then he reports only to the current edition

Therefore if someone wants an older install assessed for continued use, the person who will be doing the assessment needs to be chosen carefully

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I don't think we have the right to critisice any code for non conformities in the older installation,if it was tested by someone not familiar with older versions

What might be a code 3 to me, or someone just as ancient, may well be a code 2 and unsatisfactory to a newer inspector

The experts in the courts cannot refer to non applicable regs when trying to hang the inspector for older versions
Its for the inspector only,to show is judgement is based on his own personal experience

 

[Des 56]

Oh and I gave a thanks to tell beforehand just in case he manages to cut my rambling down to just a few letters

My own suggestion would be
WALOB

(work that out and your a good un) clue the last letter,testicles

 

[markc123]

What a load of bullocks! Do I get a sweetie?

 

[markc123]

Nice but long winded post badged, with the way you view things badged why not just stick a note along with the eicr to state that know sockets can be used for outdoor equipment without a plug in rcd jobby! Surely better than failing the install.

 

[Badged01]

Nice but long winded post badged, with the way you view things badged why not just stick a note along with the eicr to state that know sockets can be used for outdoor equipment without a plug in rcd jobby! Surely better than failing the install.

Thats the bad habits of the wife coming thro!

Ultimately its all down to your interpretation of the regs and how you see fit to to apply them, I think the debate has draw out long enough for both sides of the argument to have had an airing.

Will leave it for individual inspectors to sum up the pros and cons and make their own informed choice as to how they want to complete their EICRs, I know which way I will be doing it!

As they say, I’ll agree to disagree and leave it there ….

 

[Des 56]

Just for clarity,my post with the concise WALOB was in reference to my own ramblings

 

[Almac21]

IET wiring regulations and gn3 very grey sometimes. In a dwelling, sockets that may be used outdoors should really have extra protection, ie. rcd protection at 30 mA or less. How many times do you go to a job and while you’re working there, they’re power washing or trimming the hedge/lawn? I’ve been to jobs where they’ve cut through the extension while I’ve been there! Working off scaffolding, plugging in through a window. Straight away they want an rcd. How would it stand in court if you’ve tested a property, and you record a c3 on no rcd protection on sockets, and someone gets injured/killed? We need to be upgrading installations, it maybe just adding a stand alone rcd for 1-2 circuits, and for that cost and the added safety it brings, why not? Landlords are usually after the cheapest option, and there should be no pressure from them to give it a c3. C2 always if possibility of being used outdoors. We’re electricians arguing about a stupid code, consumers normally aren’t electricians and don’t know any better.

 

[littlespark]

I think the regs have changed somewhat since this thread started.

Thanks for the input though.

7 and a half years is good, I think the record for resurrection is over 8

 

[Dartlec]

I think the regs have changed somewhat since this thread started.

Thanks for the input though.

7 and a half years is good, I think the record for resurrection is over 8

We'll all be answering the same questions in 5 years time when all the rental ones that only got C3 this time round are a C2 - it might be AFDDs then that are on the borderline C3/2 of course....