Landlords electrical safety certificate

[PMS]

Can anyone tell me exactly what is a landlords electrical safety certificate, is it just a pir on the fixed wiring or pat testing on all the appliances or both. is there a certain type of certificate dedicated for this.Have you got to be a member of a scheme provider such as napit or niceic. who would ask a landlord to supply this. your help would be appreciated.

 

[nickblake]

There is no such thing as an electrical land lords safety certificate thats somthing drawn up by letting agents its a periodic inspection report ...which is a test of the electrical installation and could include pat testing if its requested by the land lord , i had a peridic refused by a letting agent because they wanted a landlords safty certificate ,but i did explain there is no such thing , but there are people issuing them and be honest some are not worth the paper they are written on

 

[i=p/u]

what level in college do you learn pir's, sorry for butting in.... isit level 3

 

[PMS]

what level in college do you learn pir's, sorry for butting in.... isit level 3

yes learnt about pirs when i done my level 3, but didnt hear the term landlords electrical certificate

 

[nickblake]

yes learnt about pirs when i done my level 3, but didnt hear the term landlords electrical certificate

thats because there isnt one as i have said its a Periodic inspection certificate soon to be changed when the amendments to the regs comes out in june

 

[PMS]

when i say pir i mean "periodic inspection report" which i thought was the name of the report as your issuing a report not a certificate on the installation

 

[nickblake]

when i say pir i mean "periodic inspection report" which i thought was the name of the report as your issuing a report not a certificate on the installation

Correct its a periodic inspection repoert , not a landlords safety certificate as there is no such thing

 

[Des 56]

Nickblake got suckered into the certificate frame of mind by persistent questioning of the issue by the defence

If they ask for a Landlord safety certificate,its not worth trying to educate them.just issue the periodic certif I mean, report

Bear in mind they also accept bog rolls as safety certificates

 

[nickblake]

Nickblake got suckered into the certificate frame of mind by persistent questioning of the issue by the defence

If they ask for a Landlord safety certificate,its not worth trying to educate them.just issue the periodic certif I mean, report

Bear in mind they also accept bog rolls as safety certificates

Yes des im a sucker lol but it annoys me when i get periodics refused and they say the can only accept land lords certificates ,yep your right when you say the bog roll , its true , one guy has issued a bog roll land lord cert , unfortunatly i went in a month later to a blowing fuse and issued my own cert .. a danger notification ...

 

[IQ Electrical]

Yes des im a sucker lol but it annoys me when i get periodics refused and they say the can only accept land lords certificates ,yep your right when you say the bog roll , its true , one guy has issued a bog roll land lord cert , unfortunatly i went in a month later to a blowing fuse and issued my own cert .. a danger notification ...

Not a week goes by without someone asking for "an NIC certificate" or "a landlords certificate" I've given up on educating them, I just go along with it and carry out a PIR.

The infuriating bit is where they've had a Visual Condition Report done previously for a ridiculous sum (some below £50.00).
Then I try to educate them with the ESC leaflet on Landlords Duties: http://www.esc.org.uk/pdfs/business-and-community/guidance-for/ESClandlordsGuide.pdf

I'm ashamed to say that my own scheme provider (NICEIC) promote these Visual Condition Reports which in a miniscule amount of cases are used as per guidance but more usually, just to con the ignorant client into some low cost, worthless piece of paper!

 

[nickblake]

im so suprised that the NIC do visual certs as some seriouse faults can be found when doing testing and i agree with what you have said the esc link is great i have a land lord whos a star and listens to what i say and i printed off the land lords guide and gave it to her , just so frustrating

 

[pushrod]

Yes des im a sucker lol but it annoys me when i get periodics refused and they say the can only accept land lords certificates ,yep your right when you say the bog roll , its true , one guy has issued a bog roll land lord cert , unfortunatly i went in a month later to a blowing fuse and issued my own cert .. a danger notification ...

Is there a particular form for this from any organisation or is it just something you write yourself?

 

[IQ Electrical]

Is there a particular form for this from any organisation or is it just something you write yourself?

I can only speak of the NICEIC Danger Notification but other schemes may have something similar, here's an example:

http://www.niceic.com/Uploads/File2025.pdf

 

[pushrod]

Do niceic also provide guidance/examples as when to issue one? I have never seen a bs7671 equivalent.

 

[Des 56]

Napit have the same thing
They both have a box for the customer to sign
The customer will probably tell us where to stick it, if we asked them to sign