Latest on the court challenge!!!

[Earthstore]

May I chip in?
No one in the Industry keeps taking the Government to court, that only happened once and they lost, they took themselves back to appeal, even though the Judge advised against it, and they lost again, and were given a "right telling off" and again were not given right to appeal, so now that's 4 judges informing the government that they are wrong.
So what were Barking and plumes words.... We disagree with all of you and are going to the supreme court.
So sorry, the Government are to blame now not the Industry.
It takes a man to admit that he is wrong, a boy will just blame somebody else.

 

[PAGE Renewable]

Another anecdotal - after yesterday's flurry of calls, today nothing, and the customer I went to see today after he phoned yesterday's first words were "It's still up in the air then...", and our suppliers expected "rush" did not materialise. Make of it what you will....

 

[PAGE Renewable]

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This graph tells you all you need to know about DECC, Huhne and Barker.

The arrogance of politicians is truly staggering. Did you watch Barker being interviewed on television and blaming this fiasco on Milliband? A full 20 months after taking the coalition took power?

They are incompetent liars and I certainly won't sit back and clap along like a demented seal in the hope that they don't do anything even more stupid and implement the 'C' rating.

....and that graph could just as well be the stress levels suffered by PV installers in 2011, or if inverted the consumer confidence levels instilled by the current policies.

 

[SRE]

I've just lost a job we were 99% sure of getting because I had to ring them and tell them some muppets were buying up all the panels and they felt they needed to make a quick decision (they need small salt mist tested panels ie Sanyo). That quick decision was unless there was some certainty in the industry they weren't going ahead.

I don't know if I'm more annoyed with peeps buying everything up and selling at 43p or the sodding government for yet more uncertainty. I'd just begun to feel like we were settling down a bit :furious3:

 

[Somecamel]

Not the only problem with 'the muppets buying all the panels'.

Wholesale prices will go up- you make no money on your installs.

I'm telling all my customers I cannot guarantee the panel until they are ready to proceed.

I then ring them and make the order online (SEGEN) and confirm it.

 

[Somecamel]

Something to do with background of chairman I think. Here is some biog:

Reza Shaybani is a Serial entrepreneur with 20 years of experience in managing technology-focused companies in the optical disc manufacturing equipment and semiconductor industries in Europe and Middle East. For the past 5 years Reza has been involved in the solar PV industry as the Managing Director of Scheuten Solar Middle East and Solar Technology Centre in the UAE, founder of Solarjobs.com a global job board in the solar industry, Managing Director of System Photonics and Director of The Electric Roof Company in the UK.
In 2010, Reza and a group of companies with interest in the UK solar PV market (the founding members) formed the British Photovoltaic Association.

Obviously wrote this himself. Don't look at his facebook page, you will puke.

Without being racist, what does this person know about UK politics?

Whoops. Just looked at his Facebook page

He likes Guns, Cars and loose women

 

[pwboston]

dont we all :drool5:

 

[powervan]

i cant believe all the kits gone? i think they didnt have much kit anyway ! a few people bought up stuff on first anouncement but clients wont be happy when they read the truth ! whats the odds on it staying at 43.3p who is a bookmaker out there! suppliers want rid of kit so silly emails STOCK going fast seems to work! all i no is i dont want garage full of kit !!

 

[Gavin A]

all the kit's not gone, just certain makes / models eg Sanyo & Hyundai. Plenty of most other kit around as far as I can see.

 

[Gavin A]

I got emailed a copy of a guide DECC seem to have released to their views on the Feed In Tariff debacle / court cases.


It's a bit odd, some of it seems half finished, and it seems to have a section in there about their damage limitation strategy that I'm fairly sure they didn't mean to still be in it.


I've stuck it online in 2 parts as it's a bit long.


DECC Feed In Tariff court action briefing part 1
DECC Feed In Tariff court action briefing part 2

apologies if someone's already posted this up.

 

[TedM]

From part 2:

"There are a number of reasons for our decision to pursue a further appeal. Key is the fact that the current tariffs for solar PV are not sustainable. We estimate that the additional cost to consumers of the current high tariffs continuing to be available until 2 March (for the next 25 years) would be around £1.5bn (real, discounted)."

That is no basis on which to appeal against the current finding. The appeal can only be on grounds of a mis-interpretation of the law - not running out of money.

Also the answer in Q&A to "Haven’t you already overspent the budget?" is a total non-answer. The data referred to (in answer 4 to the select committee) is only based on data to 27th November 2011, which completely ignores the remaining installs up to the 12th December deadline - a further 55,000 systems. And it also allows for zero more installs in the subsequent years. The budget is blown.

 

[TedM]

Data I'm referencing is here (in case that isn't clear)

House of Commons - HC 1605 Energy and Climate Change and Environmental Audit Committees: Supplementary written evidence submitted by the Department of Energy and Climate Change

This also shows that DECC are basing assumptions on there being an energy efficiency component in the new FiTs - either EPC 'C' or Green Deal.

 

[The Solar King]

More on on Solar Century resignation from BPVA at Business Green:

Solar sector split after trade body backs DECC feed-in tariff appeal - 27 Jan 2012 - News from BusinessGreen

The saddest bit is the fact the BPVA went their own way rather than supporting a unified position with the rest of the industry. I still have difficulty grasping the level of their stupidity. They could have made a positive contribution, but instead are contributing to the destruction of the industry.

 

[SolarCity]

Player

If you can watch this for 10 minutes without pushing your thumb through your eyeballs in frustration then you're doing well.

Chris Huhne's answer to every question is "This flawed scheme blah blah blah that the leader of the opposition blah blah blah saving the consumer blah blah blah."

This video is just the kind of reason why I utterly totally politicians. The way they avoid answering questions is diabolical and they should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

I'm sick of government after government blaming problems on the 'previous government' as if that gives them carte blanche to do whatever they bloody well want.

 

[SibertSolar]

We know Reza Shaybani from way back when he was involved in other industry sectors that Sibert has history with......all I can say is that I am not surprised with the recent turn of events regarding BPVA and DECC etc.....