like for like shower

[Peter Woodford]

guys

if your replacing a like for like shower if its not rcd protected does this have to be done as well

 

[robskiing]

Yes mate definite and its recommended by the manufacturer and your own peace of mind.

 

[pushrod]

guys

if your replacing a like for like shower if its not rcd protected does this have to be done as well

Long after the event i know, but only found your question on a search. Answer is from HERE


EDQ10

If I replace an existing electric shower, do I now have to provide RCD protection for it?​

EDA10

No, unless RCD protection is required by the manufacturer’s installation instructions, or a new circuit is required (to provide for increased load, for example).​

134.1.1 510.2​

 

[antimatter]

According to their website / installation instructions, in Credas' website they don't mention RCD's but Tritions' do recommend the use use of a 30ma RCD.


Quote
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A 30mA residual current device (RCD) must
be installed in all UK electric and pumped
shower circuits. This may be part of the
consumer unit or a separate unit.

 

[malcolmsanford]

Long after the event i know, but only found your question on a search. Answer is from HERE


EDQ10

If I replace an existing electric shower, do I now have to provide RCD protection for it?​

EDA10

No, unless RCD protection is required by the manufacturer’s installation instructions, or a new circuit is required (to provide for increased load, for example).​

134.1.1 510.2​

I have to admit even if the manufacturers did not advise fitting a RCD I think as it's a shower it is the few times I would go against the guidance of the Regs and fit one.

Know if you have the proper disconnection time on a fuse or MCB it would be safe ....................but do like that additional protection of 30mA and 0.04 secs

 

[telectrix]

0.04?is that a typo?

 

[CRAGS]

40 milliseconds

 

[keniff]

aint that 0.04 secs the max cut out on additional protection? maybe.... :s

 

[SirKit Breaker]

It must be a shower that has been on the shelf for a while, or an import. All the main stream showers that I have fitted for the last year or 3 have all stated must have a RCD, or that it must be installed in accordance with BS7671 wiring regulations in which case it must have a RCD anyway.

Cheers......Howard

 

[keniff]

yeah to be fair sounds kinda girly, but i prob wouldnt get in a shower without a rcd therefor wouldnt install one without for a customer regardless of instructions

 

[olly w]

If you were to install an RCD would that then make the job notifiable?
Where as a like for like swap is not!

 

[pushrod]

If you were to install an RCD would that then make the job notifiable?
Where as a like for like swap is not!

If it is just a "like for like" and an rcbo i would give it a minor works cert and
would think it was not notifiable.

 

[malcolmsanford]

0.04?is that a typo?

0.04 = 40 milliseconds infuture will write 0.4mS but as I'm used to doing calcs I usually write it 0.04, sorry for any confusion

 

[shagg]

If it is just a "like for like" and an rcbo i would give it a minor works cert and
would think it was not notifiable.

Even if it is a like for like, it can go on a minor works cert but will still need notifing as it's a special location

 

[pushrod]

Even if it is a like for like, it can go on a minor works cert but will still need notifing as it's a special location

Like for like replacements are not notifiable, even if carried out in a special locations, unless it is a consumer unit.
Have a read of the IEE's electrician's guide to the building regs,parts b and c on page 22.