Location of cooker iso's in Cupboards

[Robinson]

Hey guys !

So on Job where they have converted a room into studio flat inc a Kitchen
prob is its so tight in there its a real squeeze to get anything in.
Basically got elec Hob and oven. both fed in 6mm to cooker switch and plate. one of each for hob and cooker.
But they are located in the back of cupboard. low level. Fixed onto fabric of building.
My point is. I looking for reg on this. i know it gives preferred not fixed to kitchen fixtures but what about still being in cupboard not fixed. If we labelled at board location and maybe in cupboard. I personally have always had Cooker switches visable.
Is this still cool to have like this and could anyone point me to particular regs dealing with..i was thinking 537.3.2.5 and around

thanks

 

[Robinson]

Have a look at 701.753 fig d) page 168. A fixed partition stops the extension of the zones unless you are reaching around it - extension 60 cm.
In the same way a large lockable, built in cupboard will also stop the extension of the zone. .

Nice one, yeah was speaking to A examiner today and he mentioned this..sweet. seems like thats the ticket. !

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Yet another nail in the coffin of commonsense then!!

Things change.
In the 14th edition, each cooker had to have a cooker switch within 2 yards/meters of the cooker.
In the 15th a single cooker switch could control two cookers as long as it was within two meters of each cooker.
The 16th did away with the requirement for a cooker switch alltogether.

 

[JD6400]

Things change.
In the 14th edition, each cooker had to have a cooker switch within 2 yards/meters of the cooker.
In the 15th a single cooker switch could control two cookers as long as it was within two meters of each cooker.
The 16th did away with the requirement for a cooker switch alltogether.

Are you sure ?
Bugger i am still workin to the 14th then !

 

[Engineer54]

Things change.
In the 14th edition, each cooker had to have a cooker switch within 2 yards/meters of the cooker.
In the 15th a single cooker switch could control two cookers as long as it was within two meters of each cooker.
The 16th did away with the requirement for a cooker switch alltogether.

What has this to do with locating a cooker switch at the back of a cupboard??? Whether you need to install a cooker switch or not, in this case there is one, ...it's where it's been installed/located that's the problem!!

 

[telectrix]

OK lads, try and top this one..... called out to a client with 2 fan heaters installed in kitchen unit plinths. problem, he said, was they had stopped working. so, pulled one out with the plinth, flexes draped loose on floor to a JB, then T/E disappearing behind units. after emptying a cupboard and removing a cutlery drawer, found a FCU and 7 day electronic central heating timer roughly attatched to the back of the kitchen unit. ( fault was traced to the programmer . don't think they are rated at 4kW)

 

[MarkieSparkie]

The conceit of electricians astounds me sometimes.
Electric cookers must have emergency switching in case of a fire, whereas gas cookers don't?
What exactly would isolating an electric cooker achieve in the event of chip pan blaze?
Would it extinguish the blaze, would it allow the use of water to combat the blaze?
Yes CCUs can are suitable for emergency switching, at least some of them are as far as BS7671 is concerned.
Then again so are MCB switches.
I would think the Chief fire officer would be more concerned about the lack of a fire blanket, than a readily accessible means of local emergency switching.

I don't suppose you've come across unswitched socket-outlets before then?

Am I?
Perhaps I would understand your point of view, if you explained why you think it is a particuarly bad idea?

Point taken Spin, I can only judge by my experience, when a similar thing happened to me with small commercial kitchen and CFO in my area who had a bee in his bonnet about this. I made roughly the same defence as you stated but he was absolutely adamant of this requirement and refused a fire safety certificate until the position of the CCU was altered.

 

[Engineer54]

Point taken Spin, I can only judge by my experience, when a similar thing happened to me with small commercial kitchen and CFO in my area who had a bee in his bonnet about this. I made roughly the same defence as you stated but he was absolutely adamant of this requirement and refused a fire safety certificate until the position of the CCU was altered.

And Good for him, ....He knew what he wanted, Commonsense prevails!!! A commercial kitchen, and the cooker control switches are stuffed away in a cupboard, ...Geezers!!!