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[newtothis]

Let's get this in perspective. The guy was putting a retaining bolt in an accessory that already had one in.

I’m keeping in perspective The OP is saying he has actually been dismissed for gross misconduct for instructing and unqualified person to work of a live circuit. The appeal as been and gone.

Because I’m not saying, “that was harsh mate, take them to court“, doesn’t mean I don’t think that the OP may have been fitted up, far from it.

 

[Knobhead]

In a dismissal case a company will make sure its case is watertight. They can’t afford not to.

Fortunately it wasn’t me, one of the other shift managers. Summarily dismissed one of the operatives on the spot, the case went to tribunal and we lost. I don’t know what it cost the company but all management had to endure courses on employment law, it wasn’t going to happen again.

They put him on my shift when he came back. He hadn’t changed in fact he became really cocky thinking he was fireproof.
It was watertight when he did go. I suspended him there and then, pending an enquiry. This was about midnight, straight on the phone to head of HR who came in. By 02:00 gross misconduct proved he was on his way. He had the right to appeal so he consulted a solicitor who told him to drop it otherwise it will cost him a lot of money for no return.

So I’ve seen it from both sides, as a shop steward and a line manager. When it comes to disciplinary maters I’d rather not be either. I heard most stories and this one to misquote Shakespeare’s Queen Gertrude, Hamlet's mother. “The gentleman doth protest to much, methinks”.

 

[newtothis]

I suspended him there and then, pending an enquiry. This was about midnight, straight on the phone to head of HR who came in. By 02:00 gross misconduct proved he was on his way. He had the right to appeal so he consulted a solicitor who told him to drop it otherwise it will cost him a lot of money for no return

12.00 am Suspended - but not asked to leave building.

Investigation meeting arranged by Head of HR, who's now racing to the scene in his pyjamas.

Disciplinary meeting arranged with insufficient time for the employee to get legal advice and arrange to be accompanied at approx 1.00am in the morning

2.00am
Bad employee is dismissed, and leaves - taking on board his ex-employer’s advice that appeal would be futile and cost money.

That seems a bit quick, then again I don’t have all the facts.
What decade was this, and was it in the UK ?

 

[Midwest]

In a dismissal case a company will make sure its case is watertight. They can’t afford not to.

Fortunately it wasn’t me, one of the other shift managers. Summarily dismissed one of the operatives on the spot, the case went to tribunal and we lost. I don’t know what it cost the company but all management had to endure courses on employment law, it wasn’t going to happen again.

They put him on my shift when he came back. He hadn’t changed in fact he became really cocky thinking he was fireproof.
It was watertight when he did go. I suspended him there and then, pending an enquiry. This was about midnight, straight on the phone to head of HR who came in. By 02:00 gross misconduct proved he was on his way. He had the right to appeal so he consulted a solicitor who told him to drop it otherwise it will cost him a lot of money for no return.

So I’ve seen it from both sides, as a shop steward and a line manager. When it comes to disciplinary maters I’d rather not be either. I heard most stories and this one to misquote Shakespeare’s Queen Gertrude, Hamlet's mother. “The gentleman doth protest to much, methinks”.

Most of been really serious for HR manager to come out at 2 in the morning, do you think 'due process' took place at that time of day? Anyhow suppose we are going off track, we'll see if wesaston comes back.

 

[Knobhead]

12.00 am Suspended - but not asked to leave building.

Investigation meeting arranged by Head of HR, who's now racing to the scene in his pyjamas.

Disciplinary meeting arranged with insufficient time for the employee to get legal advice and arrange to be accompanied at approx 1.00am in the morning

2.00am
Bad employee is dismissed, and leaves - taking on board his ex-employer’s advice that appeal would be futile and cost money.

That seems a bit quick, then again I don’t have all the facts.
What decade was this, and was it in the UK ?

Suspended and escorted to the canteen by security.

Evidence:

A breathalyzer test. He declined an independent blood test.

Part of the companies employment T&C’s was drug and alcohol testing.

The legal advice was from the solicitor that advised him in the first case.


BTW, I wish the head of HR had arrived in her nightie.

 

[GeordieSparky]

New here but, the last company I worked for, if the person isn't a competent person in their field, I.E your unqualified mate, they were not allowed to screw any accessories back whilst the circuit was live, that was part of the companies policies, I'm guessing yours had similar, therefore instructing him do so broke company policy.

But to be fair, its ridiculous, before long you'll not be able to leave your house on a morning because its against H&S

 

[newtothis]

Suspended and escorted to the canteen by security.

Evidence:

A breathalyzer test. He declined an independent blood test.

Part of the companies employment T&C’s was drug and alcohol testing.

The legal advice was from the solicitor that advised him in the first case.


BTW, I wish the head of HR had arrived in her nightie.

LOL rolling up to work ****ed - never a good career move

 

[shanky887614]

LOL rolling up to work ****ed - never a good career move

depends, ive worked in a bar and your encouraged to drink while you work

 

[Dan]

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