met cowboy spark today.

[pritch]

Went to a job today to fit new sw spur for cooker hood extract and supply eic cert for the ring I worked on. While I was there a guy was stood in the kitchen marking out the walls for sockets . The lady told me he was a local odd job man who is also tiling the wall . She said our company were to expensive to do the lot so he will do the rest . They only wanted me to do the extract and provide a cert which then allows our Fitters to plug in the appliances.I asked the guy if he had part p and he said he never heard of it. I then told the customer who couldn't care less. While the cowboy was just about to spur off the socket 3 times I told him to leave all the work until I've finished testing. What more can you do ?

 

[cbw]

Working far too hard!!!!!!!!

This 2 jobs lark is way over the top, do pop on from time to time to check up on you all!

I like some of the new members posts and engineer is my current favorite!

 

[UNG]

That's not the point I was trying to make mate. I know full well that you can be a damn good sparks without being registered, and vice versa, I don't dispute that.

The point I was trying to make was that the law says you have to be registered (or go through LABC) for certain types of work, and that is the case regardless of how good you are. You can't say 'well I'm fully qualified and got my JIB and I've been doing this for 20 years etc etc so I'm not going to bother registering with Part P because I deem it to be a silly law' and then moan when you get told off..... I reckon I'm a good driver, but I don't say 'well I'm not going to get insurance because why should I? I'm an experienced driver I've been driving for years, I've passed my test and my pass plus, I'm not going to crash, so why should I have insurance? Insurance in this country is just a money making scheme I don't agree that I should have to pay for it.'

I don't think you'd have to look far to find people with the same kind of attitude as this with insurance, but we still all get car insurance because it's the law - we have to abide by it whether we agree with it or not.

Unfortunately I don't see Part P as an insurance only an inconvenience and money making scam for those scheme providers, it was ill thought out out at conception and has not had the resources to properly operate it and police it.

You only have to look at the posts on this forum "do I notify this work for Part P" or "is it outside the scope of Part P" makes it really black and white what the law actually is

I wonder if that is why those north of the border didn't adopt it

 

[rocker]

I'm not saying it's an insurance, I'm saying part p is the law, the same as car insurance is the law, the same as gun licence is the law, the same as not nicking stuff is the law, the same as not flinging turd at old grannies is the law (probably).

It always comes back to 'oh but it's stupid it doesn'y work it's confusing' I am not agreeing nor disagreeing with this, I am merely saying

IT IS THE LAW TO NOTIFY 'PART P' WORKS.

THE LAW DOESN'T CARE WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH IT OR NOT.

You don't get to pick and choose which laws you abide by, regardless of how qualified you are.


Now then, if anyone out there would like to to literally shoot myself in the head, say 'oh but Rocker, Part P is rubbish it doesn't work it's a stupid idea'

 

[rocker]

Working far too hard!!!!!!!!

This 2 jobs lark is way over the top, do pop on from time to time to check up on you all!

I like some of the new members posts and engineer is my current favorite!

You have got to be yanking my chain.

 

[cbw]

Miss Whiplash!


Tried to send you a PM.................

• rocker has exceeded their stored private messages quota and cannot accept further messages until they clear some space.

 

[rocker]

Ooh 'ang on I'll get it sorted.

You were in on that as well, were you? lol

 

[rocker]

There we go, all clear

 

[UNG]

I'm not saying it's an insurance, I'm saying part p is the law,

A lot of people seem to perceive and promote that using a Part P registered contractor is an insurance that the work is going to be right as Part P has the weight of law behind it

the same as car insurance is the law,

Where failure to comply can be reported to and enforced by the police and courts, and how many people still drive without insurance

the same as gun licence is the law,

Where failure to comply can be reported to and enforced by the police and courts and again hand guns were banned and now we have many that are held illegally along with sawn off shotguns etc

the same as not nicking stuff is the law,

Where the crime can be reported to and enforced by the police and courts

the same as not flinging turd at old grannies is the law (probably).

I think this is classed as assault and would be a police matter

It always comes back to 'oh but it's stupid it doesn'y work it's confusing' I am not agreeing nor disagreeing with this, I am merely saying

IT IS THE LAW TO NOTIFY 'PART P' WORKS.

But there is no clear mechanism for reporting non compliance's, it's not something you can report at the local cop shop if it's open. It's bad enough trying to deposit evidence of a crime with them.

THE LAW DOESN'T CARE WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH IT OR NOT.

You don't get to pick and choose which laws you abide by, regardless of how qualified you are.

Only if you can afford the top lawyers and experts do you get to twist the law

Now then, if anyone out there would like to to literally shoot myself in the head, say 'oh but Rocker, Part P is rubbish it doesn't work it's a stupid idea'

I think I've said Part P doesn't work on numerous occasions, one of the reasons for it's introduction

MP's daughter electrocuted in botched fitted kitchen - Telegraph

While the installation may not have been correct the metal rack was a DIY job by her husband, so why isn't fitting kitchen accessories regulated by the building regs?

There are plenty of forums with posts on this subject and shouting that it is LAW will not change the fact that the only ones being penalised are the law abiding who are being milked with fees be it to schemes or LABC and providing a traceable work record for HMRC

If you look at the statistics for domestic deaths from electrocution then Part P is not the answer to cure a very small problem as most of the deaths occur from faulty appliances not faulty installations so may be PAT testing in domestic properties needs to be law

 

[rryles]

one of the reasons for it's introduction
MP's daughter electrocuted in botched fitted kitchen - Telegraph

That had nothing to do with the introduction of Part P. It happened after Part P was a fait accompli.

 

[mogga]

Unfortunately I don't see Part P as an insurance only an inconvenience and money making scam for those scheme providers, it was ill thought out out at conception and has not had the resources to properly operate it and police it.

You only have to look at the posts on this forum "do I notify this work for Part P" or "is it outside the scope of Part P" makes it really black and white what the law actually is

I wonder if that is why those north of the border didn't adopt it

Im surprised we didnt get to test it out first like the PoleTax Smoking ban ect ect lol

 

[telectrix]

and the referendum on eurine ( sorry ( europe)

 

[nikmet]

Part P cannot be taken as a serious attempt to improve electrical safety in domestic premises while the likes of B& Q can continue selling electrical fittings, to the unqualified, consumer units included!! surely this should be restricted to qualified card holders only???