Mikes Friday night Politics Thread

[Diddy]

The BOTTOM LINE is that England spends less per head than the other Countries within the Union because its allocated less by Central Government.

And Scotland has more than 50% of people empolyed by the state too.

Sigh...ok you win mate.

 

[Octopus]

Sigh...ok you win mate.

Its not about winning and losing but when people start quoting information that is wrong or misleading they need to be corrected!

 

[Diddy]

Its not about winning and losing but when people start quoting information that is wrong or misleading they need to be corrected!

You have not corrected anything mate. I just cant be arsed arguing/debating with you any longer tonight lol. I don't really know if you are trying to fool me or weather or not you are fooling yourself....maybe you even believe what you post I really don't know...I don't even know which out of them is worse lol.
BTW next time you think about state workers - consider why your bin only gets emptied once a fortnight or why your NHS is crumbling....I really am off for the night now as I have a nice meal to go to. Have a nice evening.

 

[Adam W]

I believe New Labour was/is a reaction to the proportion of people who believe (wrongly imho) that they are not working class and therefore vote accordingly. I think if you work for someone even as a subby then you are working class. It therefore goes on that working class people are better off under a socialist government.

I don't think it has anything to do with working class people voting for a party because they think it makes them middle class - nowadays the Tories seem to offer more to the working class than Labour.
Labour have become the party for the non-working class, which like all their other policies isn't sustainable.

 

[Octopus]

Spotted today:

 

[Dcf]

Ah the hammer of the scots the Barnett formula!
do you all believe what your told cos I certainly do not.
there seems to be an ill conceived train of thought amongst some English people that they are the only ones that pay tax in this country and keep the rest of us going on handouts ....
far from the case boys
governments promise jam donuts all round and massage figures to change public opinions just to keep them on the gravy train , devious buggers you know!
what about the massive public money investment in the south of England in the last decade?
Artificially inflating the economy of the south to the detriment of the rest of the uk.
don't really hear much about that do we?
having watched a team of blokes in birmingham outside my hotel last week doing the square root of **** all for 2 days on a district heating project, I want to know how MY tax money is being squandered?

 

[Silly Sausage]

I want to know how MY tax money is being squandered?

Probably very little! Just trot out a few of the old classics!
Benefit fraud accounts for a tiny percentage of the welfare bill.
Plus, you essentially get a free health care service.

I was born in 1960, comparing my vague memories of when I was nipper to what it is now, the general population is way better off.

 

[Diddy]

It's great being on holiday I can sit here and indulge in one of my pastimes....politics. Now last night Murdoch mentioned in response to my assertion that Scotland pays more in tax receipts than it gets back via grant/barnett whatever. So I presume after Murdoch accepted (Or googled)this he then stated well over 50% of Scotland's workers work for the state.....Can I just point out that we pay for our own state workers out of that grant/barnett that we get short changed for. So even if 90% of Scotland worked for the state it would have no direct effect on westminster nor any effect on RUK's tax's.
As I said politics is my pastime, I enjoy debating stuff. I am in no way anti english nor anti uk. I would not even contemplate supporting independence if england was more socialist. Scotland and Wales seem to be more socialist than England...going on the way elections turn out anyway. I do realise that overall there are more people who would vote for socialist policies in England than who do not and it is the messed up voting/seats/boundaries system that buggers the actual vote up. Lastly Tony Blairs New Labour was not a socialist government and was not even a labour government..we have not had a true labour government since 1979.

 

[Guest111]

They all promise you the moon 'till the get in then it's every man for himself.they should have a contracted time scale to start their promises.I.E a party says "vote for us and we'll start throwing out the illegals", if they haven't made drastic inroads within the 1st year then out they go.Also this thing about making voting compulsory,fine but add a vote none of the above column,that way we'd get a truer representation of peoples feelings.How many don't actually vote because they can't be bothered as against how many don't because they support none of the party's beliefs.Unfortunately at the moment it's all jobs for the boys,and sod the electorate,.

 

[UNG]

It's great being on holiday I can sit here and indulge in one of my pastimes....politics. Now last night Murdoch mentioned in response to my assertion that Scotland pays more in tax receipts than it gets back via grant/barnett whatever. So I presume after Murdoch accepted (Or googled)this he then stated well over 50% of Scotland's workers work for the state.....Can I just point out that we pay for our own state workers out of that grant/barnett that we get short changed for. So even if 90% of Scotland worked for the state it would have no direct effect on westminster nor any effect on RUK's tax's.

Given that you have one of the main UK tax offices at Cumbernauld I don't think that is paid for by the Scottish "state" all on it's own. Even Keynes recognised you had to manufacture something to generate earnings so I'm quite intrigued by your macro economics which seem quite reliant on the fact that a lot of the UK state work which produces no tangible item is "contracted or placed" in Scotland should the independence vote be a yes where will this work be placed would rUK want it's work done "offshore" after the divorce

As I said politics is my pastime, I enjoy debating stuff. I am in no way anti english nor anti uk. I would not even contemplate supporting independence if england was more socialist. Scotland and Wales seem to be more socialist than England...going on the way elections turn out anyway. I do realise that overall there are more people who would vote for socialist policies in England than who do not and it is the messed up voting/seats/boundaries system that buggers the actual vote up. Lastly Tony Blairs New Labour was not a socialist government and was not even a labour government..we have not had a true labour government since 1979.

There are pro's and con's to each side if socialism is so good why are all the Russian billionaires not in Russia! and how did they become billionaires, socialism is an idyll that doesn't really work from what I can see as Eric Arthur Blair said "everyone's equal but some are more equal than others"

I would say the last true Labour government was back in the 60's, I started work in the mid 70's and by 1979 I was still on the same hourly rate as when I started the Labour governments wage restraint limited pay rises during that time to a weekly flat rate sum decided each year, then with the 1980 pay negotiations the electricians were reported as getting a 22% pay rise the reality was with all Labours petty rises consolidated into the rate we got actually only got 9%. IMO Labour's wage restraint started the decline of the electrical trade and the wage rate has never recovered since to what it should be relative to the other trades

 

[Octopus]

I just heard Ed Balls on LBC promising to keep to the Coelitions spending plans for the first 2 years of the next parliament (assuming they win!).

So no change then!

 

[trev]

So what the hell is the point of an opposition then? I thought the point was to oppose not to be tory (not so) lite.
Unbelievable.

 

[Octopus]

So what the hell is the point of an opposition then? I thought the point was to oppose not to be tory (not so) lite.
Unbelievable.

I quite agree!

After all, the opposition front bench are just a bunch of champagne socialists!

 

[Guest111]

Next time you meet a politician ask them for a kiss,I was brought up to believe it's polite to kiss someone before you start screwing them lol.

 

[dingledong]

Oh I am getting so excited every one is being so polite during the week ;but tomorrow after a few drinks this thread will be a blood bath ooooooooooh