More suffering, sad news about the tower block fire in London

[Devonchris]

Having seen the pictures, there's no doubt that the cladding is flammable. I'm sure someone will end up inside for this.

1 architect got the spec wrong

2 company supplied wrong material.

3 manufacturer cutting corners

Or 4 fire testing lab got it wrong.

One of them will end up inside.

 

[slingshot2000]

Having seen the pictures, there's no doubt that the cladding is flammable. I'm sure someone will end up inside for this.

1 architect got the spec wrong

2 company supplied wrong material.

3 manufacturer cutting corners

4 fire testing lab got it wrong.
Or
5 Unqualified installers cutting corners and/or using cheap fixings.


One of them will end up inside.

 

[davesparks]

I can't see how using the wrong fixings will change something from being fire retardant to highly flammable

 

[Marvo]

Just saw the footage now. Unbelievable!!

If that cladding was compliant with fire regs then the regs need changing. If it wasn't then people should go to jail for manslaughter. Either way that cladding should be removed from other buildings, I've never seen a fire in a first world building spread that far and that quickly.

My sympathies are with the residents involved.

 

[stevethesparks]

If it did start from a faulty fridge, I wonder if this would be one on a re-call list? It appears that some manufactures have no sense of urgency ensuring known faults are rectified asap. A bit like some car manufactures.

 

[LeeH]

Somebody's gong to jail for this.

 

[Specialist]

If it did start from a faulty fridge, I wonder if this would be one on a re-call list? It appears that some manufactures have no sense of urgency ensuring known faults are rectified asap. A bit like some car manufactures.

Unfortunately some customers have no sense of urgency when it comes to safety recalls either. There have been quite a few cases where people have carried on using appliances even after being warned not to by the manufacturers & paid the price for doing so.

 

[Specialist]

Somebody's gong to jail for this.

Let's hope so, but I'm not holding my breath.

 

[UKMeterman]

There have a also been reports in the past of "power surges" in the past, tripping out the water pumps and causing household equipment to emit smoke, and lights to go very bright and dim. I wonder if they had another broken neutral.

 

[Mr.Smith]

I remember quite a few fires in the "blocks of flats" near where I live when I was growing up. And you could see where the individual fire broke out.
It didn't matter which floor it was on because they are a concrete formed building and the fire was contained.
Now we "polish these turds" by attaching cladding to the sides which simply acts an external venting chimney for smoke , heat and fire as has been confirmed , so tragically , earlier today.
If we have to have fire guards and protection in between floors to prevent the spread of fire inside the building then why hasn't anyone had the foresight to see we need it externally also.
Our thoughts are with the families at this sad time but our eyes should be with the thousands of facilities and tower blocks that have been fitted with this fire trap.

 

[Deleted member 9648]

As always in this country everyones first thought is who ca

 

[Squid]

Sad, lived on Bramley Road for 10 years and used to walk past the Grenfell regularly.

 

[Pete999]

Inevitable really, just been watching the News, and some rabid Woman has stated that in Her opinion the fire was started as a revenge attack for the recent terror attacks in London, don't think the reporter picked up on it, but I'm sure someone will, all those poor people of all races and religions are hurting with the loss of loved ones, and this Woman has to come up with that rubbish, can't say what I really think of her, not on here anyway.

 

[Specialist]

Not seen that yet Pete, but totally agree with your sentiment.
Only wondered earlier how long it would take the crazies to come out of the darkness, makes my blood boil mate.

 

[Pete999]

Not seen that yet Pete, but totally agree with your sentiment.
Only wondered earlier how long it would take the crazies to come out of the darkness, makes my blood boil mate.

She was about 19/20.

 

[Andy78]

Inevitable really, just been watching the News, and some rabid Woman has stated that in Her opinion the fire was started as a revenge attack for the recent terror attacks in London, don't think the reporter picked up on it, but I'm sure someone will, all those poor people of all races and religions are hurting with the loss of loved ones, and this Woman has to come up with that rubbish, can't say what I really think of her, not on here anyway.

Conspiracy theories will pop up I'm sure, as they do in any major incident these days. Makes me mad too.

There was a young fella being interviewed who stated it could have been arson because of the huge disparity between the rich and poor in that area, a form of social cleansing.
From what i have seen of the safety issues with that building I think it highly unlikely to have been arson.

Neither of these opinions of arson had any basis in fact.

What I found sickening was to see reports of Britain first attempting to film an anti Muslim video outside a mosque that had opened its doors to help the victims of this tragedy. Absolutely disgusting.

 

[gazdkw82]

I seen an interview with a young man who has lived in the block of flats his entire life. He thinks it was started deliberately because the powers that be wanted the flats gone to make way for hi valued properly however but it was decided to refurb them instead.

I think he was basically saying it was sabotage in the interest of deconstruction.

He made a few good points, he said in all the time he has lived in the flats the lift has never worked and there was no investment in the basic needs of the occupants.

Does make you question some things.

 

[Andy78]

I seen an interview with a young man who has lived in the block of flats his entire life. He thinks it was started deliberately because the powers that be wanted the flats gone to make way for hi valued properly however but it was decided to refurb them instead.

I think he was basically saying it was sabotage in the interest of deconstruction.

He made a few good points, he said in all the time he has lived in the flats the lift has never worked and there was no investment in the basic needs of the occupants.

Does make you question some things.

I can believe in the failings and corruption of developers and councils for the sake of profit, but I can't quite stretch to believing mass murder.

 

[DPG]

I seen an interview with a young man who has lived in the block of flats his entire life. He thinks it was started deliberately because the powers that be wanted the flats gone to make way for hi valued properly however but it was decided to refurb them instead.

I think he was basically saying it was sabotage in the interest of deconstruction.

He made a few good points, he said in all the time he has lived in the flats the lift has never worked and there was no investment in the basic needs of the occupants.

Does make you question some things.

For flip's sake does anyone really believe that??!!

 

[gazdkw82]

maybe they didn't think it would ever get that bad!?

 

[DPG]

maybe they didn't think it would ever get that bad!?

In which case the fire damage to the flat with the fire would have been put right and it wouldn't have even made the news, let alone resulted in the building being destroyed/demolished!

 

[telectrix]

impossible to speculate till the Fire Service and Police have completed investigations. could be as simple as a chip pan fire. i was lucky with mine. . heat alarm in kitchen activated and i managed to put it out before it got serious.

 

[Lou]

I saw on the news it was possibly a faulty fridge that started it.

 

[Pete999]

impossible to speculate till the Fire Service and Police have completed investigations. could be as simple as a chip pan fire. i was lucky with mine. . heat alarm in kitchen activated and i managed to put it out before it got serious.

I agree Tel my gripe was the out and out hatred She came out with. I don't believe for one minute that it was arson either.

 

[westward10]

I think the gripes the residence association have been pressing about for years have little to do with the destruction which occurred no one could have anticipated that and it is easy to say we told you so. Blocks of flats are essentially concrete cells stacked up and make excellent fire compartments which is why the advice is to stay put in the event of a fire because historically the fire should be localised and contained. The weakness of any fire compartment is an opening such as doors and windows, doors which should have had some fire protection. The results of the investigation will be very interesting.