More suffering, sad news about the tower block fire in London

[DPG]

maybe they didn't think it would ever get that bad!?

In which case the fire damage to the flat with the fire would have been put right and it wouldn't have even made the news, let alone resulted in the building being destroyed/demolished!

 

[telectrix]

impossible to speculate till the Fire Service and Police have completed investigations. could be as simple as a chip pan fire. i was lucky with mine. . heat alarm in kitchen activated and i managed to put it out before it got serious.

 

[Lou]

I saw on the news it was possibly a faulty fridge that started it.

 

[Pete999]

impossible to speculate till the Fire Service and Police have completed investigations. could be as simple as a chip pan fire. i was lucky with mine. . heat alarm in kitchen activated and i managed to put it out before it got serious.

I agree Tel my gripe was the out and out hatred She came out with. I don't believe for one minute that it was arson either.

 

[westward10]

I think the gripes the residence association have been pressing about for years have little to do with the destruction which occurred no one could have anticipated that and it is easy to say we told you so. Blocks of flats are essentially concrete cells stacked up and make excellent fire compartments which is why the advice is to stay put in the event of a fire because historically the fire should be localised and contained. The weakness of any fire compartment is an opening such as doors and windows, doors which should have had some fire protection. The results of the investigation will be very interesting.

 

[gazdkw82]

In which case the fire damage to the flat with the fire would have been put right and it wouldn't have even made the news, let alone resulted in the building being destroyed/demolished!

Absolutely.

It's only what I heard.
not my thoughts.

 

[Squid]

I saw on the news it was possibly a faulty fridge that started it.

A resident on the 4th said his fridge caught fire,

I cycled down a few days ago to see if I could find any of my old acquaintances, lots of people out on Bramley Road as well as the emergency services and a lot of the roads where shut off.

Looks horrific, photo taken from Bramley Road, the Pig and Whistle is to the right.

 

[Midwest]

Watch the reports of this whilst on my hols on Sky News International.

Firstly an absolutely horrific tragedy, with many, many people losing their lives, and many more badly injured. Some of the posts on here are inappropriate.

Going back to my first line, Sky News reported on little else. They had 'experts' suggesting the cladding was not very fire retardant, and certainly perhaps not the insulation covered by the cladding. Dependant on how it was installed, there may have been an air gap between cladding and insulation, which caused a chimney effect. And potentially with windows opened, that was perhaps how the fire got into individual flats as the fire progressed. It seems, sprinklers were too expensive to be installed in the refurbishment, although the resident's petitioned for it. It also seems the fire alarms never functioned.

However, the true 'experts' stressed that no 'suggestions' as to how this tragedy unfolded, should be made, and that the results of the initial enquiry should be waited for.

I was a bit appalled the way this has been reported, where people are clearly desperately searching or hoping to find loved ones, and we hear about how terrible it was that the PM hadn't spoken to the residents, and how shock has turned to anger, and interviews by 'experts' on tower block construction & fire safety, one bloke was a historian and was no more than an expert than me.

 

[Midwest]

I don't like posting this here, are thoughts should be with those, but I don't understand why media feels inclined to report such, when it only feeds the 'mob' nothing to do with those that have been affected;

London fire: Protesters storm town hall - BBC News - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-40298473
?

 

[TAZ]

Does anyone know if there were dry risers or even an active wet riser, when I worked on many London sites these were often installed on each floor to give the firefighters a connection so they did not have to run long lengths of hose to deal with the fire. As others have commented deepest sympathies to those affected & to all the many people involved in helping out those in their time of need & also to the great men & women of the emergency services.

 

[Octopus]

So there's a huge amount of speculation and even some false news going around... best we let the authorities do their jobs and then the facts will come out.

As for jail - this pillock is got his come up-pence:

Man jailed for sharing photo of dead Grenfell Tower fire victim on Facebook - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/16/man-jailed-sharing-photo-dead-grenfell-tower-fire-victim-facebook/

Lets hope he has a difficult time behind bars.....

 

[westward10]

Does anyone know if there were dry risers or even an active wet riser, when I worked on many London sites these were often installed on each floor to give the firefighters a connection so they did not have to run long lengths of hose to deal with the fire. As others have commented deepest sympathies to those affected & to all the many people involved in helping out those in their time of need & also to the great men & women of the emergency services.

If it had a dry riser it is doubtful it went to the top because it would take too much pressure to get it there, wet riser who knows.

 

[Midwest]

So there's a huge amount of speculation and even some false news going around... best we let the authorities do their jobs and then the facts will come out.

As for jail - this pillock is got his come up-pence:

Man jailed for sharing photo of dead Grenfell Tower fire victim on Facebook - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/16/man-jailed-sharing-photo-dead-grenfell-tower-fire-victim-facebook/

Lets hope he has a difficult time behind bars.....

Not read the whole piece, but that is pretty sick. However, the 'professional media' get very close to doing similar stunts over the years, and never get a similar cumuppance!

 

[Specialist]

So there's a huge amount of speculation and even some false news going around... best we let the authorities do their jobs and then the facts will come out.

As for jail - this pillock is got his come up-pence:

Man jailed for sharing photo of dead Grenfell Tower fire victim on Facebook - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/16/man-jailed-sharing-photo-dead-grenfell-tower-fire-victim-facebook/

Lets hope he has a difficult time behind bars.....

Totally agree mate, seem to be an awful lot of people coming out of the woodwork & theories abound. As for the A*****e that put the picture up, let's hope he rots where he is

 

[Midwest]

Does anyone know if there were dry risers or even an active wet riser, when I worked on many London sites these were often installed on each floor to give the firefighters a connection so they did not have to run long lengths of hose to deal with the fire. As others have commented deepest sympathies to those affected & to all the many people involved in helping out those in their time of need & also to the great men & women of the emergency services.

From the accounts I've read seen, the fire developed in 15 mins, the fire services were then in 6 mins. Don't think any risers would have altered anything?