My MCS reg installer does not think my 4KW system needs registering with the DNO !

[Gavin A]

Re: My MCS reg installer does not think my 4KW system needs registering with the DNO

I've had no approval letters from SSE for any of the installs I have notified to them.
On my assessment today I asked him if he wanted to see copies of my notification paperwork but he wasn't interested.

odd. I've just checked the paperwork for the jobs we've done up in scotland, and there does seem to be a lack of any response from SSE to any notifications.

I probably ought to also own up to finding one file that very suspiciously has 3 unsigned appendix 3 forms in it from last summer, so it looks like that'll be one that we accidentally didn't send off... *slaps wrist*

The assessors not being interested was what I was talking about with the lack of a tick box for it, which is a serious oversight given the rubbish they do have tick boxes for.

 

[moggy1968]

Re: My MCS reg installer does not think my 4KW system needs registering with the DNO

odd.
I probably ought to also own up to finding one file that very suspiciously has 3 unsigned appendix 3 forms in it from last summer, so it looks like that'll be one that we accidentally didn't send off... *slaps wrist*

I think you'll find that you did send them off, but as they're such a disorganised shower they lost the paperwork, but of course you would be more than happy to supply them with duplicates:6:

 

[MickF]

Re: My MCS reg installer does not think my 4KW system needs registering with the DNO

SSE don't send out responses, if you emailed in your notifications (to the correct, forever changing email address !!) then you will have got an automated response - they consider that as your receipt of notification and don't expect to hear anything else ....

 

[BruceB]

Re: My MCS reg installer does not think my 4KW system needs registering with the DNO

Western Power Distribution have acknowledged all my G83 notifications within a week, in each case issuing a letter giving permission to operate the installation in parallel with their network. The letter needs to be passed onto the customer as it also details ongoing responsibilities that fall on them.

 

[moggy1968]

Re: My MCS reg installer does not think my 4KW system needs registering with the DNO

I've only dealt with WP a couple of times, they are so much more organised than SSE it's hard to beleieve they are part of the same industry!
I had great difficulty even getting the forms from SSE. when I mentioned this to them on the phone they acknowledged it was a problem. I explained WP could be found through a simple Google search, so why couldn't SSE do the same via their web page. The response was a very helpful, 'well, we aren't Western Power so we aren't interested in what they do!'

 

[MickF]

Re: My MCS reg installer does not think my 4KW system needs registering with the DNO

SSE Power Distribution - Stage 1 process
SSE Power Distribution - Stage 2 process
SSE Power Distribution - Less than 50kW

Their site is not particularly helpful, they use the ENA documents as published by the ENA (their links go directly there ...)

Oh... and they want a special format for the subject line (which they don't tell you on their website ...)

 

[cbw]

Re: My MCS reg installer does not think my 4KW system needs registering with the DNO

UK power networks confirm all notifications by email, this confirmation goes in all hand over packs that we do, keeps it all above board

Copy of recent one.

Thank you for your communication.



The email address [email protected]
is for G83 Commissioning Notifications only.



Please accept this as our acknowledgement of your email.



If you have sent an Application to connect a single installation which
exceeds 3.84kW per phase, you need to contact UK Power Networks via the
email address [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>

or call on 0845 234 0040.



If you need to apply for Multiple Installations (i.e. G83 Stage 2
Process) please complete the form "APPLICATION FOR PRIOR DISTRIBUTOR
CONSENT FOR CONNECTION OF MULTIPLE INSTALLATIONS", which is available on
our website at:
http://www.ukpowernetworks.co.uk/products-services/networks/pdf/G83_mult
iple_installation_application_form.doc



Best regards,

 

[Brixnmorta]

Re: My MCS reg installer does not think my 4KW system needs registering with the DNO

Thanks for all your comments, my installer now confirms he will register my system.

 

[provr6]

Re: My MCS reg installer does not think my 4KW system needs registering with the DNO

UK power networks confirm all notifications by email, this confirmation goes in all hand over packs that we do, keeps it all above board

Copy of recent one.

Thank you for your communication.



The email address [email protected]
is for G83 Commissioning Notifications only.



Please accept this as our acknowledgement of your email.



If you have sent an Application to connect a single installation which
exceeds 3.84kW per phase, you need to contact UK Power Networks via the
email address [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>

or call on 0845 234 0040.



If you need to apply for Multiple Installations (i.e. G83 Stage 2
Process) please complete the form "APPLICATION FOR PRIOR DISTRIBUTOR
CONSENT FOR CONNECTION OF MULTIPLE INSTALLATIONS", which is available on
our website at:
http://www.ukpowernetworks.co.uk/products-services/networks/pdf/G83_mult
iple_installation_application_form.doc



Best regards,

Sorry, but are we saying that only installations above 3.84kw need to informed to the DNO or does it apply to all installations no matter how small?

 

[cbw]

Re: My MCS reg installer does not think my 4KW system needs registering with the DNO

All installations.

What they are saying there is anything above 3.84 needs to be notified/permission obtained from a different department G59

 

[Earthstore]

Re: My MCS reg installer does not think my 4KW system needs registering with the DNO

Sorry, but are we saying that only installations above 3.84kw need to informed to the DNO or does it apply to all installations no matter how small?

Just to clarify
Systems up to 16A (3.68KWP) can be installed then notify the DNO after installation (unless you are installing multiple systems in the same area), this is under G83 rules, the installer has 28 days including the day of installation in which to do this.

Systems over 16A (3.68KWP) will need permission prior to installation from the DNO,
this is under G59 rules.

I am aware that some DNO's will except up to 4KWP under G83, but this is not the norm.

For those that may not be aware the DNO is the district network operator, that is the people that run the grid in your area, they may not be your energy provider, or your FIT provider, as you are free to choose who you pay your electricity bills to and who to register you FIT with.

I hope this helps.

 

[provr6]

Re: My MCS reg installer does not think my 4KW system needs registering with the DNO

I spoke to an electrician friend of mine (not the installer) and he reckons it's the customers responsibility to notify the DNO. From what I've read above that dosen't seem feasible.

 

[SolarCity]

Re: My MCS reg installer does not think my 4KW system needs registering with the DNO

I would suggest that your electrician friend is perhaps getting confused with the FIT application which does indeed need to come from the customer.

The DNO notification must come from the installer as, as has been previously mentioned, there is a declaration signed by the installer.

 

[provr6]

Re: My MCS reg installer does not think my 4KW system needs registering with the DNO

I said the same thing to him and he was well aware that the DNO had to be notified and said he clearly points it out to his customers they should do it.

I'm sure you are right though, if it requires an installers declaration, then the customer obviously can't comply with this requirement.

Do you think that the DNO will allow you to notify them now that 28 days have passed, or is there a chance they will say too late, thanks for telling us now disconnect it! even though it isn't causing a problem to the grid.

Not sure whether to let sleeping dogs lie or tell them now to avoid a possible problem in the future.

 

[SibertSolar]

Re: My MCS reg installer does not think my 4KW system needs registering with the DNO

Interesting feedback from UK Power Networks posted above - are they using 240vac as the nominal grid voltage? Some DNOs appear to be using 230vac......which do you guys recognise as being correct? This can have an impact on the G83 type test certification of the inverters in use....