New Extension regs, 2391?

[fantomcat_2k]

Hi, I wanted to get a 2nd opinion relating to an extension.

The Building controller is asking if the installer is Part P registered.
It was explained that the Electrician has a 2391 and 17th Edition and many years of experience which would mean they were considered to be competent.

This person has wired thier own house and provided a test certificate.

Would this be sufficiant to sumbit to building control?

There is other nformation relating to the back round of this, and I am not the actual person in question, However I've skipped the back round information, and just asked for the information I need.

Could someone confirm or clarify whether this would be enough?

It turns out the Electrican has actually worked for Sunderland city council, and has a track record of inspecting and testing over 1000 council homes.

I don't think this person is a cowboy, rather they finished ther apprentiship long before they were standardised.

Hope you can help!

 

[telectrix]

the extension is already subject to building control, so the installer should not need to be a member of a part p scam. a copy of the EIC should be provided to LABC,

 

[fantomcat_2k]

the extension is already subject to building control, so the installer should not need to be a member of a part p scam. a copy of the EIC should be provided to LABC,

Sorry for asking but what is the EIC exactly?
Are you taling about the Electrical Inspection Certificate?

In thats case it has been handed to the buliding controller.
But the building controller keeps banging on about Part P.

At the time I know the installer was not registered with the NIC or any other membership body, as they had taken months off from work to complete the extension.

 

[telectrix]

electrical installation cert. which you say he has done.

 

[fantomcat_2k]

Ahh, thats confirms what was said to this person months ago.
I have no idea why the building controller is being funny about it. But for some reason they are cuasing a lot of trouble.
It's possible that the building controller doesn't actually know what he talking about, but trying to explain that to him, hasn't been easy from what I have heard.

can you think of any other reason why he would be difficult?

 

[Andy78]

Ahh, thats confirms what was said to this person months ago.
I have no idea why the building controller is being funny about it. But for some reason they are cuasing a lot of trouble.
It's possible that the building controller doesn't actually know what he talking about, but trying to explain that to him, hasn't been easy from what I have heard.

can you think of any other reason why he would be difficult?

Get him to put in writing his concerns and requirements then you can be clear what the actual issue is.

 

[Engineer54]

Ask him (the building controller) if he would be happier with a guy that's done a 17 day/ 5 week course that has no meaningful qualifications, little to no work experience, and little to no electrical practical skills!! But is a member of one of the Part P provider Scams. It'll be interesting to know what he has to say??

Basically if you're electrician holds a level 3 C&G core qualification coupled with the C&G 2391 etc, he is a qualified electrician, unlike the majority of so-called DI's (Domestic Installer) that have done a worthless short course and then legally masquerade as electricians in the domestic sector with the majority of homeowners not having a clue just how ill equipped these people are to be working on people's electrical installations!!

 

[andyb]

The building control chap should take into account the electricians qualifications and make a judgment on his competence. I think in this case he is just being lazy or a jobsworth.

Level 3 C&G 2391, 17th ed would do it for me with a properly filled out eic, if BC doesn't back off he could get a registered person to test & issue a eicr, I think BC has to accept this and I would rather go down that rout than pay the council money.

 

[driverman]

I think it would of been best (if not already done) for the electrician to have contacted the Local building authority BEFORE work had been started and not after completion, if indeed this is the case. The Electrician does NOT have to be in a scheme to do the work. He must however, be competent to carry out the work.

 

[Octopus]

Sorry for asking but what is the EIC exactly?
Are you taling about the Electrical Inspection Certificate?

In thats case it has been handed to the buliding controller.
But the building controller keeps banging on about Part P.

At the time I know the installer was not registered with the NIC or any other membership body, as they had taken months off from work to complete the extension.

Makes you wonder if the Sparky is working on the side when he is supposed to be working for Sunderland Council.

I would email the Building Inspector and clarify, in writing, what he needs, and if he then asks for a Part P cert, ask why.

Who's house is this anyway??

 

[telectrix]

from the OP, the house belongs to the spark who did the work.

 

[fantomcat_2k]

from the OP, the house belongs to the spark who did the work.

Yes, thats correct. I skipped those parts out as they were not dierectly related to the query, However I did maention this is an earlier post.

The house belongs to and Electrican that lives across the street from me.
He has worked for Sunderland city council, but from what I gather it was atleast a few years ago.

I think whats happened is that the spark is quite old, and possibly the regulations or requirements for building control have been updated.

However he does hold the 2391 and 17th Edition with updates, but due to his age, I don't think he was actually given a modern apprenticship certificate.

He mentioned that they did things differently back then.

Like I said, I refrained from going into too much detail as it's not related to myself.
(I am not doing any work at his house myself).

But I'm not really sure how he can go about convincing building control that he is actually competent to re-wire,, test and inspect his own house.

From what I gather, he was part of the NIC when he worked for Sunderland council, but I'm not sure of the details exactly.
I think he mentioned that his NIC registration came under the organisations membership. (the organisation beng the council obviously).

Other than that, I suggested he sumbit his 2391 and 17th Edition, and any other qualifications he has.

I'm just trying to be thorogh about it, as I am likely to see him later today.

 

[Octopus]

Yes, thats correct. I skipped those parts out as they were not dierectly related to the query, However I did maention this is an earlier post.

The house belongs to and Electrican that lives across the street from me.
He has worked for Sunderland city council, but from what I gather it was atleast a few years ago.

I think whats happened is that the spark is quite old, and possibly the regulations or requirements for building control have been updated.

However he does hold the 2391 and 17th Edition with updates, but due to his age, I don't think he was actually given a modern apprenticship certificate.

He mentioned that they did things differently back then.

Like I said, I refrained from going into too much detail as it's not related to myself.
(I am not doing any work at his house myself).

But I'm not really sure how he can go about convincing building control that he is actually competent to re-wire,, test and inspect his own house.

From what I gather, he was part of the NIC when he worked for Sunderland council, but I'm not sure of the details exactly.
I think he mentioned that his NIC registration came under the organisations membership. (the organisation beng the council obviously).

Other than that, I suggested he sumbit his 2391 and 17th Edition, and any other qualifications he has.

I'm just trying to be thorogh about it, as I am likely to see him later today.

What tosh. Unless the spark is doing work "paid" for by the Council he can't use their registration to notify his own house.

Best get out of this shambles now and leave it to the "spark" to sort it out!

 

[SirKit Breaker]

Sorry for asking but what is the EIC exactly?
Are you taling about the Electrical Inspection Certificate?

In thats case it has been handed to the buliding controller.
But the building controller keeps banging on about Part P.

At the time I know the installer was not registered with the NIC or any other membership body, as they had taken months off from work to complete the extension.

Tell the idiot to go and learn how to do his job properly and get his facts in order. He sounds like he falls into the category of "A little knowledge is dangerous", he knows a bit and thinks he knows it, when he actually knows sod all.

 

[fantomcat_2k]

What tosh. Unless the spark is doing work "paid" for by the Council he can't use their registration to notify his own house.

Best get out of this shambles now and leave it to the "spark" to sort it out!

Erm... I don;t thnk you've understood me here.
Theres no "tosh" involved.
I have stated quite clearly on more than one occasion that this person does NO LONGER work for the council.