New house wiring ideas

[Engineer54]

Better than having 3 cables at the light, less time up a ladder, no extra hidden jbs and more chance of cable fitting in the light fitting too.

Yeah, ok whatever you say!! If only it was only just 3 cables at the switch position...

Safety aspects in a domestic, .....do me a favour!! More fool anyone that positions a light fitting on a ceiling directly over a stairwell, typically they will be positioned on the top landing...

 

[davesparks]

Put some power outlets near towel rails for electric probes so you can have them on whilst the central heating is off

Or just get the plumber to do it properly and put a seperate heating circuit in for them or feed them from the primaries.

 

[Fin170]

Yeah, ok whatever you say!! If only it was only just 3 cables at the switch position...

Safety aspects in a domestic, .....do me a favour!! More fool anyone that positions a light fitting on a ceiling directly over a stairwell, typically they will be positioned on the top landing...

Who said anything about domestic? After that there are high ceilings, stairwell lights and general poor placing...fall from a small height is still enough to cause injury and damage

And cant see why 3x1mm cables in a 1g box is any worse than 3x2.5mm in a 1g box for a spur either

 

[Spoon]

If the OP goes with my suggestion of wiring up the bedrooms on their own circuit (post 14) would it be wrong to put a 6A breaker on the circuit? Working on the principle that no one should use more than 6A in their bedroom...... May have to rethink this figure for the girls and thier hair stuff....

 

[davesparks]

we usually go higher than this, our steps extend to over 6m up (tripple extender)

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your arse gets twitchy when your near the top and it starts to sway

Nothing wrong with the top of a set of onions, now try a tallescope at full extension!

 

[Leesparkykent]

When wiring for down lighters on new builds, extensions and the like when no chasing etc is involved I prefer to feed the switch instead of having 4 cables at the first down light.

 

[shanky887614]

Nothing wrong with the top of a set of onions, now try a tallescope at full extension!

ours are a diy set that overhang front and back of a transit and sway a good meter side to side at the top and they will collapse on themselfs as there old and starting to show there age

 

[Charlie_]

Twin and earths in and out of light switches, pendants?
We are 15 years into the 21st century!
Leds Controlled via DALI switches and drivers is the way forward!
Also why not have the Central Heating, entertainment system, etc controlled by smart technology

 

[PEG]

ours are a diy set that overhang front and back of a transit and sway a good meter side to side at the top and they will collapse on themselfs as there old and starting to show there age

This post will ensure your customers' barrister has an easy 20 minute show,at their compensation hearing...:joker::joker:

 

[davesparks]

ours are a diy set that overhang front and back of a transit and sway a good meter side to side at the top and they will collapse on themselfs as there old and starting to show there age

So you have been provided with access equipment which is in a poor state of repair and unfit for continued service? Have you formally reported this to the necessary people?

 

[Engineer54]

Who said anything about domestic? After that there are high ceilings, stairwell lights and general poor placing...fall from a small height is still enough to cause injury and damage

And cant see why 3x1mm cables in a 1g box is any worse than 3x2.5mm in a 1g box for a spur either

3 cables will be the minimum, and their aren't any connectors in a socket back box with a spur!! It's starts getting to the point of ridiculous when you need to accommodate several switch lines and their chases/capping etc, for multi gang switches and/or 2 way and intermediates.....

If you need a neutral at a switch position for any reason or just to future proof then just run a 3 core + E to the switches, but switch looping, ...Nah!!!

All this cobblers about needing 4 hands to connect a 3 plate system at a ceiling point just doesn't wash, electricians have been making such connections in their stride for donkey's years without any help whatsoever!!

As i say, if you're daft enough to install or retain a light point at the highest point over a stairwell in a domestic (and this thread ''IS'' about a domestic installation) then more fool you!!

 

[Engineer54]

Twin and earths in and out of light switches, pendants?
We are 15 years into the 21st century!
Leds Controlled via DALI switches and drivers is the way forward!
Also why not have the Central Heating, entertainment system, etc controlled by smart technology

And what fraction of rewire work that you do, or more importantly others will do, will contain any of that smart technology?? Most rewire work will be basic rewires with additional lighting and power points. Your smart technology is still far too expensive for the average punter, and frankly not as reliable as it should be either, especially for the overall costs of these systems....

 

[Charlie_]

And what fraction of rewire work that you do, or more importantly others will do, will contain any of that smart technology?? Most rewire work will be basic rewires with additional lighting and power points. Your smart technology is still far too expensive for the average punter, and frankly not as reliable as it should be either, especially for the overall costs of these systems....

The guy asked for some ideas for his own home..
what better opportunity to try out new technology.
done right it is the best way to do things

 

[Engineer54]

The guy asked for some ideas for his own home..
what better opportunity to try out new technology.
done right it is the best way to do things

Yeah, and then can be totally stuffed when the system or systems go belly up a couple of years or so down the road, and then can't get replacements because the companies gone into liquidation!! lol!!

 

[Charlie_]

Its been the standard for quite a few years especially in the prestigious houses but obviously not in the Middle East lol
dont be scared of new technology..

 

[Tidy Max]

we usually go higher than this, our steps extend to over 6m up (tripple extender)

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your arse gets twitchy when your near the top and it starts to sway

I worked in a factory putting a PA system in for a fortnight. The cables were run in the perlins down the center of the A frame roof. I was on 3m triples but opened into an A frame with the third set extended right up (like an upside down Y) To reach the roof i had to be stood forth rung from the top.

It was awful.

 

[shanky887614]

I worked in a factory putting a PA system in for a fortnight. The cables were run in the perlins down the center of the A frame roof. I was on 3m triples but opened into an A frame with the third set extended right up (like an upside down Y) To reach the roof i had to be stood forth rung from the top.

It was awful.

that's not fun, i refuse to use that set we have as an A-frame unless i have someone footing it and tied the brace. (it pops out sometimes)


i will happily use them fully extended as a ladder but not as an A-frame well technicallly an upside down Y frame

 

[Tidy Max]

That was my agreement.... not much you can do when you look round and see your 'footer' stood by the window on his blower! iirc thats the only time i have ever feigned sickness and it got my nowhere because the job was just put on hold till i was well again!

Ahh the joys of being the company bitch. I don't miss it for one second!

 

[R G]

Future proofing....Get the stairlift fitted and power for the lift over the bed ....

 

[Octopus]

Future proofing....Get the stairlift fitted and power for the lift over the bed ....

and "call" buttons in every room!

 

[Engineer54]

Its been the standard for quite a few years especially in the prestigious houses but obviously not in the Middle East lol
dont be scared of new technology..

We have more than enough of what you call ''New Technology'' on our projects, and it's fine while it works, unfortunately much of it doesn't work for too long. It's often one of the banes of our 12 month warranty periods. It's nothing to do with being ''Scared'' of new technology, more a case of being aware of the cost vs reliability issues. At the moment much of this stuff doesn't stack up too well...

You obviously haven't been to the Middle East then, you don't get much more prestigious houses than you'll find in that part of the world, at least the owners of those properties have the money to continually change from one system to the next. ... lol!!

 

[R G]

On Southern Electric I remember fitting the Electretech system that they came out with in the 80s/early 90s , it was problematic , cost fortunes and was scrapped within 4 years or so , so all the cables etc that went in are redundant...

I and probably many others would like to invest in some sort of system that will always be around , but these things just seem to come and go and cost lots as well and your left with having to deal with issues afterwards...

 

[Charlie_]

That was 30 years ago.. I don't have such problems with the KNX systems I'm involved with but then they are well designed and installed.. lol

 

[Engineer54]

That was 30 years ago.. I don't have such problems with the KNX systems I'm involved with but then they are well designed and installed.. lol

Not that much difference today!!

So what sort of costs are we talking about here for these KNX systems?? Perhaps we'll find out why 99.9% of new builds don't include this new technology!! ...lol!

 

[Leesparkykent]

I done a big house about 3 years ago in a proper money area called north foreland in broadstairs and the Lutron kit was £17000 alone.