New licenses?????

[stevey1983]

its all about money, having a licenses doesnt mean anything, take a look at all the bad dangerous drivers out there with licenses or even all the people who drive without one. Anyway how would this be policed? so many people out there doing part p work when they shouldnt and get away with it. Also in all my time of being a sparky i have never ever once been asked to prove what qualifications i have or if im insured to carry out the work. Most of the public have never heard of Part P and you would be surprised at how few even know what gas safe is either. If this is true which i doubt very much then i will not be getting one, i will carry on as i am and doubt anyone will be none the wiser

 

[Guest123]

It's all got to start with the sheds......if Joe Public cant get his mits on electrical gear he cant do the job. Simples.

 

[bugsy]

It's always about money, If they were to license our trade and enforce it it would be a good thing but that will never ever happen

 

[martysparky]

If B and Q sells d/lights with instructions that have no mention whatsoever about insulation effects what chance do we have of them pulling the plug on joe public buying and botching. Joe saves OUR money and make the government more money. What a cash cow...

But then again, if they did pull the plug surely those retail taxes plus the licence would be more beneficial to the Gov and us????

Shouldn't the scheme be the licence???

 

[Phil]

makes me laugh the new electrafix and plumb fix that will only sell to trade, built onto the screwfix counter? yeh thats going to stop them buying there electrical bit`s and bobs. i dont have a problem with b and q selling boards but you should have to have some sort of trade card to buy them. the electrafix idea in concept of proving you are competent was a good idea if all the rest fallowed we might have a better chance but somehow i dont think it`s ever going to happen

 

[lloyd1980]

Not true. It specifically does not apply to domestic premises.

Also I'm not sure what you mean about BS7671 "exceeding" the Electricity at Work Regulations.

It simply states that compliance with BS7671 is LIKELY to achieve compliance with the Electricity at Work Regulations.

The electricity at work regulations are a statutory document
in order to stay within the law you need to prove that you have at least met the EAWR
BS7671 is a non statutory document and is a recgnised ACOP (acceptable code of practice)

what this means is that if you follow bs7671 then your are exceeding the statutory requirments of the Electricity at work Regulations (Law)

if you wired to the 16th edition today you would not be breaking the law,
we obviously comply with 7671 as to be a part of the competant person schemes requires it (nic etc) but if you were informing LABC yourself then 16th is not illegal

if you read the EAWR there is nothing about most circuits being RCD protected
the only thing that comes close is regulation 12 - Means for cutting off the supply and for isolation
there is no mention of an RCD

people dont seem aware of this and whether we like it or not are forced into doing a new regs course and purchasing a book for the slightest change

it makes me wonder if any of the board of directors of the IEE have any fingers in electrical equipment manufacturing and stand to gain financially from these new rules - IE increased demand for expensive RBCO's sometimes over 20 quid a pop

it makes you wonder

 

[Notsosmart]

The electricity at work regulations are a statutory document
in order to stay within the law you need to prove that you have at least met the EAWR
BS7671 is a non statutory document and is a recgnised ACOP (acceptable code of practice)

what this means is that if you follow bs7671 then your are exceeding the statutory requirments of the Electricity at work Regulations (Law)

if you wired to the 16th edition today you would not be breaking the law,
we obviously comply with 7671 as to be a part of the competant person schemes requires it (nic etc) but if you were informing LABC yourself then 16th is not illegal

if you read the EAWR there is nothing about most circuits being RCD protected
the only thing that comes close is regulation 12 - Means for cutting off the supply and for isolation
there is no mention of an RCD

people dont seem aware of this and whether we like it or not are forced into doing a new regs course and purchasing a book for the slightest change

*it makes me wonder if any of the board of directors of the IEE have any fingers in electrical equipment manufacturing and stand to gain financially from these new rules - IE increased demand for expensive RBCO's sometimes over 20 quid a pop*

it makes you wonder

* Carefull Lloyd your becoming as cynical as me!

Lets face it there was nothing wrong with the 16th, it is as though there is change for change sake.

Whilst I agree with what you are saying in principle, as you have said working to the IEE regs mean that you meet the requirements of EAWA, with the litigation sharks, er i mean lawyers, out there if you are not working to the 17th could they twist it to show that you are not meeting this statute?
Ok there are plenty of installations out there that Noah helped install but that means, as competent persons, it is our duty to point the short-comings out to the customer who also has a right to refuse remeidial work, (our nannying big brother hasn't cottened on to this legislative loop-hole yet!)

 

[Spudnik]

there is no requirment at the moment for RCD's to be on EVERYTHING

I know.

It was a sweeping statement i was making.

 

[ian.settle1]

If B and Q sells d/lights with instructions that have no mention whatsoever about insulation effects what chance do we have of them pulling the plug on joe public buying and botching. Joe saves OUR money and make the government more money. What a cash cow...

But then again, if they did pull the plug surely those retail taxes plus the licence would be more beneficial to the Gov and us????

Shouldn't the scheme be the licence???

Not everyone does house bashing what about electricians who are maintenance electricians in industry or electricians who work for companies who only do commercial or industrial installations??????

 

[sparky1502]

i know that summit skills are charging things for the college starters they are doing away with the c&g 2330 and bringing in a diploma level 3 which includes a level 3 nvq and am2 and 3 years at college which will screw up these training centres as they cant offere the nvq...but according to sorces electrical installation is no longer on the goverments approved course scheme as a vital course and thus the funding is minial....o the joys of a democaracy

 

[martysparky]

Not everyone does house bashing what about electricians who are maintenance electricians in industry or electricians who work for companies who only do commercial or industrial installations??????

Just talking from my point of view. To be honest I have no idea how it would effect them???

 

[Jason Smith]

So if we get pulled up for something on an annual, will we get our license endorsed-12 points and were out ?

 

[mogga]

new member excuse the ramblings Whats the point of "Part P NicEic Napit " ect ect ect when mr Joe bloggs can wander into BnQ Screwfix ect ect n buy over the counter all sorts of stuff that if not wired,tested,correctly could kill try buying certain Gas products and you will be asked for your "Gas Safe" card why o why dont we have the same sort of scheme allowing only approved jib sjib electricians to buy certain products ?

 

[martysparky]

new member excuse the ramblings Whats the point of "Part P NicEic Napit " ect ect ect when mr Joe bloggs can wander into BnQ Screwfix ect ect n buy over the counter all sorts of stuff that if not wired,tested,correctly could kill try buying certain Gas products and you will be asked for your "Gas Safe" card why o why dont we have the same sort of scheme allowing only approved jib sjib electricians to buy certain products ?

why don't you start a new thread


Who wants joe public to to electricians work?

 

[UNG]

new member excuse the ramblings Whats the point of "Part P NicEic Napit " ect ect ect when mr Joe bloggs can wander into BnQ Screwfix ect ect n buy over the counter all sorts of stuff that if not wired,tested,correctly could kill try buying certain Gas products and you will be asked for your "Gas Safe" card why o why dont we have the same sort of scheme allowing only approved jib sjib electricians to buy certain products ?

There is nothing to stop you buying gas equipment it is just illegal to connect it to the gas supply

IMHO part p was never intended to make domestic electrics safer it was a scheme to help HMRC make domestic work traceable and therefore taxable