New standalone ceramic hob oven keeps tripping rcd

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hackerwacker

Hello,

I have a brand new Indesit standalone ceramic hob oven installed with own mcb and new wiring (surface trunking) and cooker switch and socket both neons. The ccu is part rcd protected. The mcb is not on the rcd side. When power is applied to the cooker, the time flashes 0.00 and then I set the time. When any of the hobs are switched on, the rcd trips. Switching off the hob, the time is reset to 0.00. Tried resetting the time 2-3 times but when any of hobs switched on, rcd trips again.
Checked the voltage to the cooker switch =240v. With the cooker disconnected, v=240 on the load side (cable unplugged) indicating the neon is also not causing problem. With the cooker plugged in, the load side shows the voltage has dropped to half.

Called indesit and they sent an engineer (who said his son was part P, can't remember whether he was part p or not or even qualified electrical). He immediately blamed my wiring as a short circuit. I mentioned that if there was a short, the mcb will not come on even without the appliance connected, as it was possible to switch on the mcb. He did the testing on this meter, when circuit not on and insulation resistance was 999, When the appliance is connected its less than 1. On his notes he mentioned it was meant to be more than 3 minimum. (the minimum is 1M, but I didn't tell him). He then blamed mcd and cooker switch (both changed and it still the same problem. He also said the appliance will work off a 13A plug (the manual recommends a minimum of 32A). :cuss:I think Indesit needs to vet and train their engineers!!!!! and tell them to read the manual before attempting to service their appliances.

Its a hager board with neutral bar coming out of the rcd for all circuits, rcd and non rcd. Can this be the problem? Rcd will only trips if there was earth leak, True?

Any help appreciated?
Thanks
 
Surely if all circuit neutrals are sharing the same bar in the CU, including the ones supposedly protected by the RCD, wouldn't he have had nuisance tripping before now?
 
Any chance of a picture of this board? I’m in need of cheering up.
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Assuming the OP is correct and there is only one neutral serving both protected and unprotected ways: I think the most likely scenario is that the person who installed or 'upgraded' the board tried to convert a non-split '15th' edition board into a '16th' split load board without buying a neutral bar conversion kit.
 
Well if speaking out to correct 'for providing wrong advice', is not the right thing, well I don't have words to describe much more. It usually nice to read the full post as many have done and then post appropriately like BlueToBits, and others from the posts:hurray:.
As richy3333 says, typing in bigger font is not going to change the board layout. It is what is it. Many newbie do not understand the previous layouts, are there newbies with not much knowledge. BlueToBits looks like he been 'sparking' for years and knows different scenarios.
As mentioned in the posts, I have to get a pic but the fact remains. There is 1 neutral bar coming out of the rcd on the left hand side where all the neutrals are connected, whether rcd or not protected, 1 earth bar at the top, where all the live go? (get the buzzing with responses).
there has not been any nuisance tripping before either. I never mentioned it was a new board.
The minimum 3m is in the service manual, why tell me, the wiring produces 999 as engineer already tested.
 
a photo is essential here. from your RCD you will have a L busbar on one side feeding the MCBs, and on the other side will be a black or blue cable going to N bar. if it's a split board, there will be 2 N bars. check where the neutrals from the other MCBs on the non RCD side go.
 
The minimum 3m is in the service manual, why tell me, the wiring produces 999 as engineer already tested


No idea!! you mentioned 3 meg, not me!! You say that the hob tested out under 1 meg, with just the appliance and interconnecting cable/flex, and 999 Meg on your installation wiring. So either the interconnecting cable you installed to the appliance is at fault, or your new hob appliance, (taking it, that it was tested from the Cooker control unit.)

What others have stated about RCD wiring configurations are correct, and i'm surprised this CU installation hasn't been giving nuisance tripping. To be honest with you, this whole situation is simple to get to the bottom of, in less than an hour.

 
can't see you getting here from china in under an hour E54. :grinningelf:
 
The OP sounds like he doesn't need anyone's help judging by his responses....

The way I would rule in or out the hob would to be to disconnect the hob completely. I would then connect a temp socket from the load part of the cooker switch and plug in something that demands power like a kettle. If it still trips wiring problem, if not hob problem. I agree completely that it is a neutral in the wrong bar, but if it is I guess we will never know!
 
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