No Certificate For New Electrics And Local Authority Demands

[Geordie Spark]

Three theads all on the same subject?
All could have been rolled in to one.

Aye ..... but it should keep Dan happy

 

[richy3333]

Yes. A call to NICEIC this afternoon confirmed he is 'still' registered.

If he is with the NICEIC then make an official complaint. That's partly why they exist and charge huge fees

 

[StuSpiers]

Just to throw this in the mix:

My own policy is to not issue certs until full payment has been received I also get all part-p certs sent to my address and send them on with any certs.

Did your sparky mention anything about that?

Regards.

 

[morph]

Just to throw this in the mix:

My own policy is to not issue certs until full payment has been received I also get all part-p certs sent to my address and send them on with any certs.

Did your sparky mention anything about that?

Regards.

ditto , always two sides to a story

 

[Octopus]

Question to T Mess:

Did the homeowners original planning consent include the electrics?
Did the sparky give the home owner any certifcates?

Sorry if I've missed these facts but the thread is long winded.

 

[Engineer54]

If he is with the NICEIC then make an official complaint. That's partly why they exist and charge huge fees

Oh dear, .....I think your going to be sadly disappointed if you really believe that any of these scheme providers, are going to do anything to help others. Be it it's members, or the members customers.... Now on the other hand, if an electrician is using the schemes logo illegally, ...then you will see some pronto action, but allas not on the customers behalf!! lol!!!

 

[telectrix]

think this whole thread is like the pics of that duchess whatever her title is, topless. making mountains out of molehills. get a local registered spark in th add an extra socket and give you a minor works cert. end of.

 

[TMess]

The other thing is dont worry as the job is not complete yet so no certs need to go to LBC, why say you, well the job is not complete due to the fact the sparks has not yet issued you with the certificate, or the body to whom he is registerd with. and he has not said he is holding the cert back for any reasons has he. tell building control to go and do one.

I don't follow. If LABC don't receive a certificate, then the entire job will not be signed off by them, which will result in one very unhappy customer and leaves our reputation on the line...

 

[TMess]

Just to throw this in the mix:

My own policy is to not issue certs until full payment has been received I also get all part-p certs sent to my address and send them on with any certs.

Did your sparky mention anything about that?

Regards.

He did not mention anything along these lines. On top of which we did agree payment post certification.

 

[TMess]

Question to T Mess:

Did the homeowners original planning consent include the electrics?
Did the sparky give the home owner any certifcates?

Sorry if I've missed these facts but the thread is long winded.

There was no original planning application, but a building control application which merely stated 'garage conversion'. Logic would state that any garage conversion would include an element of electrical work.
The homeowner has not received any certificates. They would have come to us first.

 

[TMess]

Quite a few of you have mentioned getting a minor works certificate. However, Building Control have always asked for a Part P certificate. Where do we legally stand in terms of refusing to give them a Part P certificate (because we can't in our current situation) and offering them a minor works certificate instead? What is the difference between the two certificates in the first place?

 

[tony mc]

The electrician will issue a either a Minor works which what yours is or a Electrical Instalation Certificate.

There is no such thing as a part P certificate.

As already stated if the work is notifiable then the elctricans scheme in your case the NICEIC will inform the LABC that the work has beed done as per the part P building regs !

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I would imagine that when they ask for a 'Part P' certificate, they are actually asking for a Building Regulations compliance Certificate.

 

[Guest55]

I don't follow. If LABC don't receive a certificate, then the entire job will not be signed off by them, which will result in one very unhappy customer and leaves our reputation on the line...

then just pay the damn fee if your customers satisfaction and company reputation is worth more than £400.
sometimes the path of least resistance is best if you dont want to tie up endless hours of hassle sorting this out.
then you can move on and learn for the next time you have to deal with the part p process.

 

[ruston]

A "part certificate " does not really exist. if you employ a part p registered electrician he is allowed to self certify his work to building control within 30 days of completion of the works. Building control will then sign the work off and issue the customer with a completion certificate. The spark does not need to send an EIc to building control as that goes to the person ordering the work.

The other route is to notify BC twenty four hours before work commences and pay a notification fee. BC may then decide to take copy of the certificate from a competent person or oversee the work themselves .ie first and second fix inspections. then on completion you will get a compliance certificate. This is not conclusive and the terminology may be incorrect because I'm tired lol.

It's taken so long to get this up on 3 you lot have said it all.