No cpc, really.

[westward10]

Done a periodic on this a few weeks ago and back now doing remedial. This notice and the previous Report state there are no cpcs through the lighting.

None of the roses have a cpc connected but there is at the conduit boxes they are mounted on in fact I have checked every light and there is a cpc present throughout, early sixties tinned copper T&E and pvc/pvc singles.
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Here they are.

 

[fairlight]

He noted a defect which was not existent. It was worthwhile redoing all the lighting points as some of the cpc connections were somewhat tenuous so apart from what I can't see it is sound enough. I would say again this was inexperience, they saw no cpc at the roses and thought no earth but I looped to the fixing screws which were clearly 2BA and not wood screws. Tap through the back of the roses indicated metal boxes.

My issue is really with the 'Drive by' EICR comment, because very clearly it was not, a defect was observed even if digging a little deeper would have resulted in a different outcome. I feel we all need to bear in mind that when carrying out an EICR only a percentage of points are removed for inspection and the correct procedure is to carry out the test with a minimum of dismantling. This inevitably means that an inspection, no matter how conscientiously carried out, can never be exhaustive and is always likely to miss a defect. Smartasssparks later finds that defect and suddenly that EICR is branded a 'Drive by' and the original report rubbished. Unless we are all carrying out 100% sampling, (be honest, nobody is) then those in glass houses should be very wary of lobbing bricks.

 

[westward10]

I don't believe I have ever used the term drive by. A defect was not observed, there was no defect to observe. The notice states three circuits have no cpc, not true they are evident in the consumer unit. I looped all ceiling roses in less than 15 minutes and removed one to verify the presence of the hidden cpcs. The previous individual saw no cpc present and made an unfounded assumption instead of realising they were fitted to BESA boxes.

 

[fairlight]

The drive by comment surfaced in posts 5 and 6, apologies if I incorrectly assigned that to yourself. My point is that even if the observation was incorrect, the guy had to have carried out an inspection in order to make his observation.....It was not a drive by.

 

[freddo]

And I know where we are going with this, if it tests out ok etc etc. But last time I checked, cable manufactures give their cables a 20 year life span, so we are looking at 50 years plus. When is a good time.

The last time I saw 20 years listed for cable life was for VIR/TRS cables...

 

[davesparks]

It looks like 1960's cabling to me?

And I know where we are going with this, if it tests out ok etc etc. But last time I checked, cable manufactures give their cables a 20 year life span, so we are looking at 50 years plus. When is a good time.

Peeves me that some people will spend mortgages on new kitchens & bathrooms, but won't spend anything on the infrastructure of their properties.

I believe they give cables a minimum lifespan of 20years loaded to their full current carrying capacity 24/7.

It would be advisable to rewire if significant alterations are needed/going to be made to avoid a lot of joints or mismatched wiring, but not essential.

 

[Dustydazzler]

Best time for a full rewire is always just before any other disruptive works takes place

If you are going to be in a mess you might as well be in a complete mess

 

[7029 dave]

Switch drop, no one does this now.View attachment 53229

I used to do that with my intermediate switching save's a joint in side box.

 

[ipf]

I used to do that with my intermediate switching save's a joint in side box.

But...…..you're not expected to have the hand skills to do that these days...such a danger of damage.

 

[Midwest]

I believe they give cables a minimum lifespan of 20years loaded to their full current carrying capacity 24/7.

It would be advisable to rewire if significant alterations are needed/going to be made to avoid a lot of joints or mismatched wiring, but not essential.

So you agree with me then.

 

[ipf]

So you agree with me then.

Every jobs different though, isn't it. You can get to see lovely jobs done in the old stuff. Plenty problems occur when additions and alterations are made, especially involving the original CU's which are lacking in capacity, as well as standards. Old installations, invariably, have so few outlets.

 

[freddo]

Some old installations are stunning. Don't see much of that with newer installs.

 

[Deleted account]

He noted a defect which was not existent. It was worthwhile redoing all the lighting points as some of the cpc connections were somewhat tenuous so apart from what I can't see it is sound enough. I would say again this was inexperience, they saw no cpc at the roses and thought no earth but I looped to the fixing screws which were clearly 2BA and not wood screws. Tap through the back of the roses indicated metal boxes.

Never been happy with the wording of those stickers.

I feel the stickers should note “ no earth continuity to MET” or “lighting not adequately earthed”

@wesrward10 you are correct that the wording on the sticker is wrong as it states “does not have provision for earthing“, when clearly there is a cpc. Also the wording of the report that state no earthing, agree not correct, but the spark has adequately warned that there shouldn’t be metal fittings in the circuit in question due to fittings having no connection to earth using the sticker.

I have to say I have done also done this on an EICR. I’d rather put a slightly wrongly worded sticker on the board than put no warning on the board, as long as it is adequately documented on the EICR.

 

[Midwest]

Every jobs different though, isn't it. You can get to see lovely jobs done in the old stuff. Plenty problems occur when additions and alterations are made, especially involving the original CU's which are lacking in capacity, as well as standards. Old installations, invariably, have so few outlets.

Agree with you there; problem with most old domestic installations, is they have been hacked about by non competent persons over the years.

I’ve worked on a very few old domestic properties that haven’t been touched since they were installed. Didn’t give me nightmares adding to them. However, if I moved into such a property, I would have it rewired.

But that’s my opinion I suppose.