No earth on lighting circuit

[Mohammed karani]

Went for an ECR check and found no earth on lighting circuit, board just been updated last year (Wylex 10 way RCD board), phoned the landlord and said someone recommended to put class 2 fitings but walls have metal capping and switches and accessories are brass/ metal fittings but the code is c2,

Am I right or wrong?, I’m confused

 

[moose]

If the building was built in 16th edition you can not test it to the 18th edition. You can advise to the new editions rules to what applies today.

Look at the last sentence beginning with the word 'You' can etc

Says it all really quote new regs and what applies end off...

 

[7029 dave]

If the building was built in 16th edition you can not test it to the 18th edition. You can advise to the new editions rules to what applies today.

Look at the last sentence beginning with the word 'You' can etc

Says it all really quote new regs and what applies end off...

It's not a question that you can advice, it is that you have to.

 

[Pete999]

This subject has been done to death and it winds me right up that supposedly competent and skilled persons are supposed to carry out this type of work, yet they don’t understand the basic requirement to inspect and use the current edition of the wiring regulations as a tool to recommend improvement of safety with the C3 code for example for installations that do not comply with the current edition of bs7671 but are not necessarily unsafe by being installed to a previous standard and do not require upgrading.

Agree, and therein lies the problem with some people that claim to be Competent Electricians.

 

[moose]

The client will do as he pleases no matter the given report. but most will get the new upgrades.

 

[loz2754]

If the building was built in 16th edition you can not test it to the 18th edition. You can advise to the new editions rules to what applies today.

Look at the last sentence beginning with the word 'You' can etc

Says it all really quote new regs and what applies end off...

So by your logic, you would need to hold a certificate that shows you're competent to test and inspect, for every edition of the wiring regulations you come across.
You would also need to have all the reference books for each edition that you come across.
This is just nonsensical.
We test and inspect to the current edition, we are required to hold a certificate for the current 18th edition.
We report the findings of our test and inspection, and note any non compliance with the current 18th edition, each non compliance being rated as C1, C2, C3 or FI.
We recognize that many installations were designed to a previous edition, of course, but our reason for doing any of this is to assess whether the installation is deemed safe for continued use.

I too am at a loss as to why so many find this a difficult concept to grasp.

 

[Lucien Nunes]

Remember you are there to test as the edition it was wired at.

Well that could be awkward! What if I find a double-pole switchfuse installed under the 11th edition, that has had its neutral solid-linked to comply with later editions. So I have to test to the 11th edition and give it a C2 for having its neutral fuse bypassed, but at the same time give an advisory that the neutral fuse should be bypassed. Lol.

 

[loz2754]

The client will do as he pleases no matter the given report. but most will get the new upgrades.

It's irrelevant what the client does with the report. We can only advise.

 

[Pete999]

The client will do as he pleases no matter the given report. but most will get the new upgrades.

If the Client has the required information, and does nowt, then the Client deserves the fallout come sale time, as long as the report states the problems that are present, the reporter is in the clear, job done, end of, story over.

 

[moose]

I think you are reading to much into the sentences.

My logic is new 18th edition when testing. see what has changed or is unsafe.
Then make the report.

 

[7029 dave]

I think you are reading to much into the sentences.

My logic is new 18th edition when testing. see what has changed or is unsafe.
Then make the report.

I think you are reading to much into the sentences.

My logic is new 18th edition when testing. see what has changed or is unsafe.
Then make the report.

But your post#8 don't say that, anyway if you have learnt something today then that is good isn't it, condition reports are complex with installations ranging through the decades.

 

[moose]

I haven't learned anything from people reading to much into what I have typed. ?
Oh hang on, I need to maybe try to get my understanding so you also understand it.

Probably wont happen, but Ill have fun trying.

You have a great sense of humour that I can see from these pages here.

I will I am sure learn something from other points in the forums else where.

 

[Midwest]

Anyway, back to the original post. Didn't do EICR's and this subject has been done to death.

ESF Best Practise Guide 4 gives guidance on this very subject. This one I've linked here, seems to have removed the ambiguity between 10.7 and their flow chart, that previous ones had. No reference to a domestic property not being a installation under supervision. Perhaps ESF changed it after all the emails & calls they had about 10.7 ?

 

[westward10]

You shouldn't really need a Guide book. Earthing is a requirement for ADS so with this missing you have the risk of electric shock.

 

[Midwest]

You shouldn't really need a Guide book. Earthing is a requirement for ADS so with this missing you have the risk of electric shock.

We need all forms of literature to learn a subject.

 

[Ian1981]

I think that the best practice guide is a good form of guidance and is worth a read for anyone involved with inspection and testing but I think westward maybe referring to the fact that inspectors rely too much on it and should refer more to bs7671?