No longer competant

[Mr Magoo]

After being self employed for the last 5 years and paying the NIC scam ransom i got fed up with the hassle of it all so took a full time on the books job and i am pleased i did,having a young family and mortgage its nice to know how much i have coming in each month,i have still been doing the odd job as i was still registered which has now rum out,so i am now no longer classed as competent as i aint registered,i have been asked by a mate to change a consumer unit i explained to him i aint registered anymore and he said he aint bothered as he knows my work will be safe and he would rather trust me than some clueless muppet out of the local rag (his words)so i guess i will have to notify my local LABC,will they charge me the full building notification fee or will they accept my certs(green)as i have 2391 been doing it for years and as of yesterday i was deemed competent by a scam provider.

Something just aint right with this Part P.

 

[highspark]

End of the day he ain't registered so he's not allowed to do it without notifying building control. I've just paid over £800 to renew my part p so I don't give a damn if he competent or not. No part p no self notification

 

[Dave 85]

End of the day he ain't registered so he's not allowed to do it without notifying building control. I've just paid over £800 to renew my part p so I don't give a damn if he competent or not. No part p no self notification

I only pay £400 for part P.......am I allowed to do it? Or would that make you all bitter, angry and hard done by aswell?
Maybe I could just do half the job? Is that acceptable?

 

[Darkwood]

What it comes down to is if the worse was to happen does your background, your paperwork inc' certs etc all show your competence, any errors will be used a good defense against you if these errors were deemed to show a lack of understanding etc, recently a plumber was jailed even though he was corgi registered when a customer died of carbon monoxide poisoning, had he had an impecable standard and history he wouldn't have been charged and jailed but a lesser offense; the standard of his work had a trait of been below par and a bit bodgit.... think this made it manslaughter.

As i said... being registered or in a scheme gives a certain wall of protection but incompetence will make it null and void and this works the other way round, if you are highly competent, have a good decade of experience doing what you are doing - better still with a company who was registered then you stand good grounds to proving your competence, its whether you take the risk and do it alone. Il stand corrected but its not a prosecutable offense to work anywhere in an house without notification, im in the understanding it will only be enforced if your work is dangerous or poor standards, no councils want to waste money on cases that they might lose.

 

[highspark]

What planet are you on Dave Electrical Trainee. You are registered so there's no qualms about price you strange man

 

[sedgy34]

I pay £380 or something like that but if I wasn't renewing my enrolment
i would still do the work as a competent time served spark
no one cares only the proper sparks who spent 4yrs training not the 5wwders

 

[Dave 85]

What planet are you on Dave Electrical Trainee. You are registered so there's no qualms about price you strange man

And what leads you to presume I'm a Electrical Trainee?

 

[mamamaka]

:hurray:

 

[sedgy34]

Time served sparks don't agree with 5wwders most arnt competent and don't understand theory of ac current and electricity ohms law etc!!!
the 5 wwders will disagree and say they spent 5 weeks doing part p and are an electrician

Taking these into aaccount the scams are to blame for signing the 5wwders up knowing they don't know what EEBADS means or ADS they don't grasp the theory of ohms law etc
and are let into people's houses to carry out work do you think general public would have a 5wwder on there house if they actually knew the guy had little experience in the trade.

 

[RISElectrical]

I'm no longer registered with a scam but i would be quite confident that in a court I could prove my competence, time served JIB approved and a NICEIC QS for a company it makes me so pee'd off that I cant wire a kitchen for somebody or change a CU in the eyes of a Electrical Trainee. True it costs you £400 a year... but in true reflection the route you took to become qualified cost a hell of a lot less than it cost me I bet

 

[highspark]

Point I'm making is I've just paid an annual fee so I can continue to sign off my own work. So why should anyone tell this guy To go ahead and do it without being registered. It's these type of things that part p was introduced for. He's not registered so there for no he shouldn't just do it.

 

[telectrix]

and who's to know if he doesn't notify? the part p gestapo? LABC aren't bothered unless there's a disaster and then questions will be asked.

 

[Mr Magoo]

Bit of a mixed bag there,decided to have a look at what good old Approved Doc P had to say (been a while since i looked at it)and it seems my situation is kind of catered for in paragraphs 1.22 and 1.23.

It says for a Qualified Electrician who is NOT registered they may be willing to accept a generic green cert but they may also ask for proof of quals,no problem there so i might just make this a bit of a test case with my LABC just for the crack,hopefully will be a reduced fee.

Thanks for all the replies.

 

[telectrix]

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It says for a Qualified Electrician who is NOT registered they may be willing to accept a generic green cert but they may also ask for proof of quals,no problem there so i might just make this a bit of a test case with my LABC just for the crack,hopefully will be a reduced fee​

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they will want a huge fee, as they say they have to issue a building notice. ( what the hell is being built? ) ..there is no mention of that in the part p doc.
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[Dave 85]

Point I'm making is I've just paid an annual fee so I can continue to sign off my own work. So why should anyone tell this guy To go ahead and do it without being registered. It's these type of things that part p was introduced for. He's not registered so there for no he shouldn't just do it.

It was not these type of things that part P was introduced for!
They are an unavoidable side effect
Part P was primarily introduced to discourage builders and the like doing all their own wiring, badly, without any knowledge of regs day in, day out. Why on earth would anyone want to try and prevent competent electricians from doing their job?

I personally think its well worth being registered if you do a lot of domestic work, many clients, builders, developers etc will avoid you if you are not (and they can easily find out). It is of course, not worth being registered if you do very little domestic work.
With regards to the occasional unnotified job.....If the contractor don't care, the client don't care, the government don't care, the police don't care, LABC don't care, the courts don't care.......
Then why in the hell do you care so much?

 

[RISElectrical]

What makes me laugh is the amount of people that say no you cannot do a notifiable job and no notify as its breaking the law, then go and do a notifiable cu change, inform LABC via there scam provider etc so it's all lawful..... But to do the change they pull the DNO fuse and cut the seal.... You see what I'm getting at