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[Deleted member 26818]

Can't say that I am aware of a Regulation pertaining to the number of sockets required for an installation.
Of course I don't know all the Regulations.
Strictly speaking, BS 7671 does not cover appliances plugged into sockets.
So I would be hard pressed finding a Regulation covering the mis-use of an appliance or equipment.

 

[Risteard]

Can't say that I am aware of a Regulation pertaining to the number of sockets required for an installation.

I never said there was one specifying numbers. I said that there is a Regulation requiring adequate provision of socket outlets - so it is a matter of judgement.

Also, you never mentioned that the heaters were plugged in. I presumed that they were wired in.

 

[hightower]

553.1.7 I think?

 

[rattlehead85]

Doing EICR's for a local housing authority who bloody refuse to even pay to rectify c1 and c2 departures i tend not to code as it says as per BPG for these items. I will attach a footnote stating things such as colouring to previous regs, no sleeving, lack of adequate smoke detection, inaccessible bonding (so long as you can prove it is adequate via wander lead 0.05 test between m.e.t and pipework)
I will also refer to use of BPG4 on certificate along with photo evidence...job done.

 

[Risteard]

0.05 test between m.e.t and pipework)
I will also refer to use of BPG4 on certificate along with photo evidence...job done.

There has never been a requirement for a main protective bonding conductor to have a resistance not exceeding 0.05 Ohms, nor was the Guidance suggesting this.

As for a so-called "Best Practice Guide" it is simply a guide and I'm not sure who gave them the right to declare what best practice is. I believe in free thought!

 

[7029 dave]

Can't say that I am aware of a Regulation pertaining to the number of sockets required for an installation.
Of course I don't know all the Regulations.
Strictly speaking, BS 7671 does not cover appliances plugged into sockets.
So I would be hard pressed finding a Regulation covering the mis-use of an appliance or equipment.

View attachment Adequate-Provision-of-Socket-Outlets-in-the-Home-(P14890803) (1).pdf part p

 

[joehat]

Not really, as a non-compliance without any definite safety deficit is not to be awarded any recommendation whatsoever (not even C3). Not all non-compliances are to be recorded.

C3 recommended improvement. What's the harm.

 

[Risteard]

C3 recommended improvement. What's the harm.

You can recommend improvement if you believe a defect justifies it.

This does not mean that non-compliances which you do not consider have safety implications should attract mention/coding on the Report - it is clear that they shouldn't.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

That's the thing, it's not clear.
We are only required to report dangerous or potentially dangerous conditions, yet there is a code specifically for non dangerous conditions.

 

[Risteard]

yet there is a code specifically for non dangerous conditions.

No. There is an observation code (C3) for improvement recommended.

So if improvement is not recommended then it shouldn't be mentioned.

Here is a useful document from the IET's Wiring Matters about it:

electrical.------.org/wiring-matters/41/condition-codes.cfm?type=pdf

 

[davesparks]

C3 recommended improvement. What's the harm.

The harm is that you can be recommending a list of improvements which are unnecessary. This is cowboy tactics and if caught out you will potentially be in trouble with trading standards.

 

[Pete999]

No not strictly true.
For instance if I were to inspect a 3 bedroom house, I might consider there is not enough sockets in the bedrooms.
My reasons might be that as the house is likely to be used by a family, children's bedrooms will need sufficient sockets for computer games, TVs, phone chargers, toys, etc.
Not sure what code could be applied from BS 7671.
I once saw a convector heater with no legs sitting directly on top of a work surface.
I applied a code C2, as the bottom vents were blocked by the work surface, preventing air circulation.
Again not sure which code from BS 7671 would apply.

EICRs don't cover appliances plugged in to the fixed wiring installation, neither does BS 7671

 

[Guest77]

having a good read of the best practise guide 4 and reading the non compliant with bs 7671 that do not give rise to danger and do not require reporting confusing I must say ie in the past ive allways given a code 3 for switch wires that have no brown sleeving on ie blue cables but it states that you don't give it a code its just non compliant with bs7671 but surely if its non compliant it wants reporting your thoughts please

A no code, obviously.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

No. There is an observation code (C3) for improvement recommended.

So if improvement is not recommended then it shouldn't be mentioned.

Here is a useful document from the IET's Wiring Matters about it:

electrical.------.org/wiring-matters/41/condition-codes.cfm?type=pdf

Love it.
You disagree with me, then post a link that says exactly what I have said.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

EICRs don't cover appliances plugged in to the fixed wiring installation, neither does BS 7671

Exactly.