Not agreeing with it, just after some thoughts from fellow sparks

[Pete999]

Been watching an American documentary on the IBEW Electician's Union, realise it's an American idea, but do you think this sort of thing would work in the UK? just asking for opinions please. Do you think it would upset the Schemes much? would it take far to long to organise and Police, if something along these lines were to get the green light, or is it all wishful thinking?

 

[Dillb]

Don't agree. Someone who only works on domestic would not need to be the same as a commercial / industrial spark.

Why whats difference is there? Its not just about install skills, there is also the sciences involved too

 

[7029 dave]

Lets get something quite clear, the JIB was set up as a union in its day (closed shop) nothing more, for those who can remember that far back.
Now its the be all an end all.!!

 

[Squid]

I think I am still registered on the JIB database.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I don’t know that it was ever set up as a Union per se?
Mor of a club for Employers to regulate their worker’s wages.

 

[TJ Anderson]

Why whats difference is there? Its not just about install skills, there is also the sciences involved too

There is a huge difference. Why would someone who only does domestic need to know about 3 Ph, Motors, VFD's, design outside of standard circuits, control panels and systems, PLC ' S, HVAC, refrigeration to name a few.
Also, to fault find on single phase domestic circuits genuinely is is easier. Heating controls being the most complicated they are likely to encounter.
There seems to be a lot of biting at people on here who are only wanting to do domestic saying they need to be more qualified. I think the Domestic Installer qual is adequate and a sensible and conscientious guy can do a good job and work safely. There are horrendous fully qualified sparks out there on industrial / commercial for sure so fully qualified is no guarantee.

Prepared to have my head blown off!!...... Lol

 

[TJ Anderson]

Talking rubbish imho, theres no difference between a domestic electrician and commercial/industrial electrician. Both work with cable, both test, both do containment, its exactly the same. Its just a different environment, its people like you who think just because they work on commercial and industrial jobs they are some how special or gifted. You need your check your arrogant god complex as you look a ---!

Im hardly arrogant am I

Exactly the Same containment???? Really?? Have you got basket and tray in your house??

It's not the same. I am not degrading domestic work either. It is definitely skilled to do it well and there are good and bad domestic sparks as there is commercial/ ind ones.

 

[Gavin John Hyde]

The criteria for a gold card, is that you either have industry experience or core qualifications, have passed a health and safety exam and have the latest edition update.
You will also require the NVQ3, if your core qualifications are dated after a certain date.

You can get a jib gold card by being a qs with the same NICEIC AC firm for i think its 3 or 5 years. without having the am2 nvq etc, just need the 2394/95 or 2391 quals and be qs.
It says qs for company x on bottom but is still a jib gold card and how many firms are going to query it? if they run a check it comes back as joe bloggs has a valid gold card.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Actually, most industrial electricians don’t even possess a tester, let alone do testing.
On larger sites there are dedicated testers, who do the testing, the rest of the sparks just do the install.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

You can get a jib gold card by being a qs with the same NICEIC AC firm for i think its 3 or 5 years. without having the am2 nvq etc, just need the 2394/95 or 2391 quals and be qs.
It says qs for company x on bottom but is still a jib gold card and how many firms are going to query it? if they run a check it comes back as joe bloggs has a valid gold card.

May not be graded though?

 

[TJ Anderson]

Actually, most industrial electricians don’t even possess a tester, let alone do testing.
On larger sites there are dedicated testers, who do the testing, the rest of the sparks just do the install.

I know....totally agree. There are loads of sparks that can't test lol

 

[Nigel]

Talking rubbish imho, theres no difference between a domestic electrician and commercial/industrial electrician. Both work with cable, both test, both do containment, its exactly the same. Its just a different environment, its people like you who think just because they work on commercial and industrial jobs they are some how special or gifted. You need your check your arrogant god complex as you look a ---!

Sorry mate but absolute tosh.

 

[Nigel]

You can get a jib gold card by being a qs with the same NICEIC AC firm for i think its 3 or 5 years. without having the am2 nvq etc, just need the 2394/95 or 2391 quals and be qs.
It says qs for company x on bottom but is still a jib gold card and how many firms are going to query it? if they run a check it comes back as joe bloggs has a valid gold card.

The NICEIC will want to see those qualifications prior to allowing you to be QS. That would include the NVQ 3.

 

[LankyWill]

Im hardly arrogant am I

Exactly the Same containment???? Really?? Have you got basket and tray in your house??

It's not the same. I am not degrading domestic work either. It is definitely skilled to do it well and there are good and bad domestic sparks as there is commercial/ ind ones.

I do because im a tart with the most over specified garage in my Blighty, but can you honestly say basket and tray are difficult. If you can do Meccano you can do tray and basket is dummy proof. Both are different thats is a given but neither are more skilled or require a different grading.

 

[TJ Anderson]

Lets get something quite clear, the JIB was set up as a union in its day (closed shop) nothing more, for those who can remember that far back.
Now its the be all an end all.!!

Yeah, well with respect, that was decades before I was even born lol. Now the ECS/ JIB grading scheme is the only thing we have as a sensible system for defining Electricians for firms in our industry.

 

[LankyWill]

Sorry mate but absolute tosh.

Go on then, quantify your statement.