Now I know who is making money from Green Deal....

[sedgy34]

Well it's a no brainer for you and your company, shame your giving up solar and the Mcs but onwards and upwards eh

 

[Gavin A]

I know I am being negative towards the Green Deal, but would love to be proved wrong and told I have it wrong.
My company has been installing since 2009 and we went MCS before the FiT launched in April 2010, but, in March our membership will need renewing and I'm thinking of leaving solar as I cant see any future with Green Deal

I reckon that'd be a mistake, not because of green deal, but because green deal is largely irrelevant to the solar market, and the solar market should recover this year now things have settled down and half the band wagon jumpers have left the scene.

 

[puddy]

this is a massive government sponsored Rent-A-Roof scheme that only government backed companies can take part in

What's a rent-A-Roof scheme?

 

[sparkless]

What's a rent-A-Roof scheme?

the Rent-a-Roof is what I think ruined the Feed-in-Tariff scheme.

where company's would offer to fit solar for free with them paying for the install and claiming the FiT and you getting free electric

 

[puddy]

the Rent-a-Roof is what I think ruined the Feed-in-Tariff scheme

Why say that it was the Tory party that changed the rules?

The reason I asked about the rent-a-roof scheme was because I don’t know how it got its name

My contract state’s

Particulars to the lease plan excludes (for the avoidance of doubt) the structure walls and roof of the building

So I am not giving up my freehold status and not able to sell my house and the other misinformation given by some forum members

All HomeSun are doing is using airspace 2”inchs above my roof, I don’t mind I didn’t want to use it anyway.

I live in a closed military airspace and I could not write down the registration of a Typhoon or Tornados fighter jets there gone in a flash so I cannot bill the RAF for using my airspace!!!

Seems since we had the panels installed they use them as a visual markers because we are getting more jets flying right over us now than before

 

[sparkless]

Why say that it was the Tory party that changed the rules?

The Feed-In-Tariff was Labours idea when Ed Milliband was running the DECC. after they lost the election the FiT was quickly/illegally scrapped and the Green Deal is due to replace it.

They have now banned any more than 2 installs being in one name. putting an end to your scheme of installation.

So why have they done that?

 

[puddy]

The Feed-In-Tariff was Labours idea when Ed Milliband was running the DECC. after they lost the election the FiT was quickly/illegally scrapped and the Green Deal is due to replace it.

They have now banned any more than 2 installs being in one name. putting an end to your scheme of installation.

So why have they done that?

Save money or so they say?

A lot of the things I could claim on for DLA have been taken away like help with making my home more energy efficient on the Warmfront scheme.

The reason FiT was reduced is because the energy companies were footing the bill. But Dave protected them from further cost on the understand that they would not be challenged on price increases in Gas and Electric for the next 5 years so they could claw the money back

 

[puddy]

They have now banned any more than 2 installs being in one name.

I am not sure what you mean/telling me

 

[Eco Deal]

Guys the FITS is claimable after the Green Deal solar as been installed.

tell me this if you finance a solar system form a bank loan etc does the bank claim the fits until you pay it. NO!

I have documents form DECC emailed to me that state the FITS or RHI can be claimed. I can email you the docs sparkless.

Microgen systems can be included in Green Deal pacakges as well as receiving FIT or RHI payments, but the FIT or RHI income will not be taken into account
when calculating the Green Deal savings.

 

[Gavin A]

The Feed-In-Tariff was Labours idea when Ed Milliband was running the DECC. after they lost the election the FiT was quickly/illegally scrapped and the Green Deal is due to replace it.

They have now banned any more than 2 installs being in one name. putting an end to your scheme of installation.

So why have they done that?

have you been on the sauce?

the FIT hasn't been scrapped, and the Green Deal has nothing to do with FIT, if anything it's replacing the previous insulation scheme whereby the electricity companies directly subsidised cavity wall and loft insulation measures.

there's also no limit on the number of FIT installs anyone can own, though anyone owning 25 or more get's 10% lower FIT payments.

 

[Eco Deal]

GD measures BLUE are alos on commercial


Air source heat pumps
Lighting systems, fittings and controls (including rooflights, lamps and luminaires)
Biomass boilers Loft or rafter insulation (including loft hatch insulation)
Biomass room heaters (including with radiators)
Mechanical ventilation with heat recovery
Cavity wall insulation Micro combined heat and power
Cavity wall insulation (hard-to-treat) Micro wind generation
Chillers
Oil-fired condensing boilers
Cylinder thermostats Photovoltaics
Draught proofing Pipe-work insulation
Duct insulation
Radiant heating
External wall insulation systems Replacement glazing
Fan-assisted replacement storage heaters Roof insulation
Flue gas heat recovery devices Room in roof insulation
Gas-fired condensing boilers
Sealing improvements (including duct sealing)
Ground source heat pumps Secondary glazing
Heating controls (for wet central heating system and warm air system)
Solar blinds, shutters and shading devices
Heating ventilation and air-conditioning controls (including zoning controls)
Solar water heating
High performance external doors
Transpired solar collectors
Hot water controls (including timers and temperature control) Under-floor heating
Hot water cylinder insulation Under-floor insulation
Hot water showers (efficient)
Variable speed drives for fans and pumps
Hot water systems (efficient) Warm-air units
Hot water taps (efficient)
Waste water heat recovery devices attached to showers
Internal wall insulation (of external walls) systems Water source heat pumps

 

[Eco Deal]

Green Deal Measures

Air source heat pumps
Lighting systems, fittings and controls (including rooflights, lamps and luminaires)
Biomass boilers Loft or rafter insulation (including loft hatch insulation)
Biomass room heaters (including with radiators)
Mechanical ventilation with heat recovery
Cavity wall insulation Micro combined heat and power
Cavity wall insulation (hard-to-treat) Micro wind generation
Chillers
Oil-fired condensing boilers
Cylinder thermostats Photovoltaics
Draught proofing Pipe-work insulation
Duct insulation
Radiant heating
External wall insulation systems Replacement glazing
Fan-assisted replacement storage heaters Roof insulation
Flue gas heat recovery devices Room in roof insulation
Gas-fired condensing boilers
Sealing improvements (including duct sealing)
Ground source heat pumps Secondary glazing
Heating controls (for wet central heating system and warm air system)
Solar blinds, shutters and shading devices
Heating ventilation and air-conditioning controls (including zoning controls)
Solar water heating
High performance external doors
Transpired solar collectors
Hot water controls (including timers and temperature control) Under-floor heating
Hot water cylinder insulation Under-floor insulation
Hot water showers (efficient)
Variable speed drives for fans and pumps
Hot water systems (efficient) Warm-air units
Hot water taps (efficient)
Waste water heat recovery devices attached to showers
Internal wall insulation (of external walls) systems Water source heat pumps

 

[Worcester]

Whatver we 'think', the government has invested too much in the Green Deal.

It may take a few years before the wrinkles are worked out, however it is their plan to reduce energy consumption. New build is gettting tighter and they want to bring up the old housing stock.

The biggest owers of the housing stock are the Social Housing Groups so they had to come up with a scheme that they could afford and the big insulation / installation compnaies could deliver.

This scheme allows refurbishment of the housing stock at the tenants cost.

The rest of the process is just a mechanism to introduce some checks so that people aren;t completely ripped off. It is not system designed for small businesses / individual installers.

Havig said that there will be opportunities, and the advertising campaigns of the the big boys will raise awareness of what people can do to their homes and so being local you can offer a Green Deal type package of your own, without all the red tape at a lower cost.

We are building up key relationships, and we will pick up work from the awareness of it, and we will get the various accreditations, our goal though will be to steer our customers towards a range of much more flexible privately financed solutions.

The Green Deal is here to stay and it will work for a number of large companies, in the same way as the existing /closing CERT scheme was, - If you can point to any smaller businesses that made a success out of CERT, then you'll need to adopt their same approach to make a success out of the Green Deal.

We should be looking at HOW we can benefit from it because it isn't going away, I'm not convinced that any of the 'smaller' businesses have found the golden key YET.

 

[sparkless]

have you been on the sauce?

the FIT hasn't been scrapped, and the Green Deal has nothing to do with FIT, if anything it's replacing the previous insulation scheme whereby the electricity companies directly subsidised cavity wall and loft insulation measures.

there's also no limit on the number of FIT installs anyone can own, though anyone owning 25 or more get's 10% lower FIT payments.

The Fit Scheme has been clearly reduced considerably and I'm sorry but the Green Deal is the new Government incentive scheme, which replaces the previous FiT incentive scheme

 

[sparkless]

Whatver we 'think', the government has invested too much in the Green Deal.

It may take a few years before the wrinkles are worked out, however it is their plan to reduce energy consumption. New build is gettting tighter and they want to bring up the old housing stock.

The biggest owers of the housing stock are the Social Housing Groups so they had to come up with a scheme that they could afford and the big insulation / installation compnaies could deliver.

This scheme allows refurbishment of the housing stock at the tenants cost.

The rest of the process is just a mechanism to introduce some checks so that people aren;t completely ripped off. It is not system designed for small businesses / individual installers.

Havig said that there will be opportunities, and the advertising campaigns of the the big boys will raise awareness of what people can do to their homes and so being local you can offer a Green Deal type package of your own, without all the red tape at a lower cost.

We are building up key relationships, and we will pick up work from the awareness of it, and we will get the various accreditations, our goal though will be to steer our customers towards a range of much more flexible privately financed solutions.

The Green Deal is here to stay and it will work for a number of large companies, in the same way as the existing /closing CERT scheme was, - If you can point to any smaller businesses that made a success out of CERT, then you'll need to adopt their same approach to make a success out of the Green Deal.

We should be looking at HOW we can benefit from it because it isn't going away, I'm not convinced that any of the 'smaller' businesses have found the golden key YET.

When the Green Deal was first announced, I thought it was a great idea. its only after the launch that I have got so let down by their proposals.

As you say "It may take a few years before the wrinkles are worked out" and in the mean time, we are meant to stay quiet and pay our MCS and REAl memberships and as this post was started by someone spending more money on training chasing an ever moving goalpost