The Fit Scheme has been clearly reduced considerably and I'm sorry but the Green Deal is the new Government incentive scheme, which replaces the previous FiT incentive scheme

Yes the FIT has been reduced that is true but the FIT scheme supports renewable energy technologies such as Solar PV, wind and hydro. The green deal DOES NOT replace the FIT scheme and is mainly in place to invest in energy efficiency measures such of loft insulation, cavity wall insulation, new boilers etc NOT Renewable Energy.

The Green Deal may well be the the new Government incentive scheme but it is not replacing the FIT scheme.
 
Yes the FIT has been reduced that is true but the FIT scheme supports renewable energy technologies such as Solar PV, wind and hydro. The green deal DOES NOT replace the FIT scheme and is mainly in place to invest in energy efficiency measures such of loft insulation, cavity wall insulation, new boilers etc NOT Renewable Energy.

The Green Deal may well be the the new Government incentive scheme but it is not replacing the FIT scheme.


I completely agree, The Green Deal is not replacing the FiT, What I meant was it replaces the main incentive.
 
But the Feed in Tariff is the main incentive is still will be regardless of the Green Deal. So I'm not sure what you are getting at?
 
But the Feed in Tariff is the main incentive is still will be regardless of the Green Deal. So I'm not sure what you are getting at?


it is the main incentive now because we are between schemes.

the Green Deal should have launched in August.
we are in a no-mans land of incentive for solar.

I think as a customer looking at a 20 year investment, they would be better waiting 12months and seeing what happens, because the rate of FiT will not drop a lot more, but the Green Deal may produce what is promised if they can sort out this "Golden Rule"



The Green Deal with Solar PV has not launched yet too the domestic market.
When it does, it will be the Governments main incentive.

Ask any MP or anyone at the DECC two years ago why we should get solar and they would have barked on about the FiT incentive.

Ask any of them now and "Green Deal" is the flag they are waving.

No-one says it doesn't involve other "energy efficiency measures", but it is the new incentive for renewables
 
Solar is a better investment today than it was in November 2011.
It costs less to install, the payback time is similar so you have cash left in the bank, and with electricity prices increasing you've invested less to get the same.

The difference is they type of customer, pre December 2011 / March 2012 it was people looking for a good Investment with 'short term' money being the driver, now the customers are people that understand the value in investeing in securing the cost of their energy for the next 20 - 25 years.

It's a different market. It's not 'dead', the market will NEVER be like is was in 2011 again, it's a different market with different reasons for investing. - Try reading 'Crossing the Chasm' by Geoffrey A Moore. http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/...=1841120634&linkCode=as2&tag=wwwgjbenterpr-21
 
The FiT is an 'incentive' that pays people back for a capital investment they make to generate electricity from renewables.

The Green Deal is a finance scheme that attempts to remove the capital cost barrier for anyone wanting to reduce their energy bills where the householder (or tenant) pays back a loan for energy reduction via their electricity bill. As such it can only be seen as an 'incentive' by people who cannot access similar (or better) finance from other sources. It will simplify paperwork to apply for a loan for quite specific home improvement services (as MEP has listed) so, from that point of view, may incentivise people to have work done on their property that they otherwise wouldn't be able or willing to do.

The two are really quite separate, even with DECC's attempts to get them to work together, and have quite separate meanings of 'incentive' so don't confuse them.
 
The FiT is an 'incentive' that pays people back for a capital investment they make to generate electricity from renewables.

The Green Deal is a finance scheme that attempts to remove the capital cost barrier for anyone wanting to reduce their energy bills where the householder (or tenant) pays back a loan for energy reduction via their electricity bill. As such it can only be seen as an 'incentive' by people who cannot access similar (or better) finance from other sources. It will simplify paperwork to apply for a loan for quite specific home improvement services (as MEP has listed) so, from that point of view, may incentivise people to have work done on their property that they otherwise wouldn't be able or willing to do.

The two are really quite separate, even with DECC's attempts to get them to work together, and have quite separate meanings of 'incentive' so don't confuse them.


who confused them?
did I miss a post?
 
No wonder the public has no idea whats going on if installers believe the FiT has been scrapped and replaced by the green deal.

The Feed In Tariff is still on and still generous, we just signed up a customer today who we quoted in late 2011 who declined at the time, he has a better range of panels to choose from, almost half the install price, a very similar payback time & ROI and the same amount of energy to use. He's chuffed to bits...
 
No wonder the public has no idea whats going on if installers believe the FiT has been scrapped and replaced by the green deal.

The Feed In Tariff is still on and still generous, we just signed up a customer today who we quoted in late 2011 who declined at the time, he has a better range of panels to choose from, almost half the install price, a very similar payback time & ROI and the same amount of energy to use. He's chuffed to bits...


the FiT incentive was dramatically slashed (illegally) a year ago to make way for the Green Deal, which hasn't launched yet.

We may disagree on terminology, but the last governments incentive for renewable was the FiT and this governments is the Green Deal.

their reason for such drastic action last year was because both schemes cannot run together.

they haven't replaced one another yet because green deal is not active in the domestic field yet.


What will your customer that you signed up today say in two months when the Green Deal launches and he has spent his money now.
No wonder the public has no faith in the industry when all your interested in is anther sale, instead of advising the customer that this is a 20 year investment and it wouldn't harm to just wait 3 months and see what the government are suggesting.

But that wouldn't get you commission would it
 
Hmmm, I feel someone is getting a little confused here.
The Green deal does not replace the FIT, simple.
Yes the FIT has been reduced, dramatically and as proven illegally, but there is still a FIT system.

The Green deal is just a way of financing energy saving measures for those that can not fund it by normal means, and this includes PV.
At present, in my opinion (for what it is worth) there are better ways to fund your PV system, at much favorable rates, but the Green deal may work for some...

I hope this helps.
 
What will your customer that you signed up today say in two months when the Green Deal launches and he has spent his money now.

If he/she's got any sense he/she will say...'As I had the money, I'm glad I paid upfront two months ago and so avoided paying commercial rates of interest on a PV loan (aka Green Deal)'.

Even if PV met the Golden Rule, you'd still be better of paying for it upfront rather than borrowing money.
 
What will your customer that you signed up today say in two months when the Green Deal launches and he has spent his money now.
No wonder the public has no faith in the industry when all your interested in is anther sale, instead of advising the customer that this is a 20 year investment and it wouldn't harm to just wait 3 months and see what the government are suggesting.

what are you banging on about?

Green Deal will not fund solar PV installations (though it may part fund them), but even if it does then that won't affect 99% of our customers who have the money already, want to invest the money they have, and certainly wouldn't consider paying 7-8% interest on a green deal loan to pay for it instead of using their own money.

This in no way precludes them from using green deal finances if they want to for other energy saving measures when green deal starts, though I doubt many will tbh as most already have most of the measures done already, and have their own funds if they want to do any other work.
 
I'm sorry guys we really disagree on this.

the Green Deal incentive, when launched for solar, will be replacing the previous incentive, which, although still exists, was called the Feed-in-Tariff. which in turn replaced the previous incentive called ROCs.

the trouble you've got is when you join the party late, you don't know the whole story.

Draft one of the Green Deal was less of a loan and more of a grant system that would be available to all households across the country to be spent on renewable's and energy efficiency for each household.

the loan would be secured on the household and be repaid on change of ownership or as is with savings produced.

This was a tried and tested method in Birmingham and was used to Double Glaze a lot of properties by the City Council.

If that system would work, we could potentially fit renewables to every house in Britain in one generation, assuming every household changes hands every generation or less.

when this scheme was adapted for Solar, obviously the costs were much greater and so the funding was harder to achieve.
private companies were brought in to finance and as they are business then added 6-7% return on loans.

this is the system we are at now.
anyone with half a brain can see this is a rubbish system for the solar industry and so the August launch was put back until October until the funding is resolved, this still isn't resolved and is now delayed until we are told March.

The main complaint with the FiT was it only rewarded the wealthy and was only available to people who had disposable money in the bank, they in turn were rewarded by raising everyone elses fuel bill to pay for their FiTs.

(so in reducing FiT would not have changed anything)
Now my point is that if they do achieve their original goal of financing all domestic installations until change of ownership, so not costing the customer a penny, isn't your customer going to be really ****ed off with you.






don't pretend I don't know what I'm on about to justify your money grabbing
 
Sparkless if you dont know the diff between Green deal and FITS what hope do your customers have of understanding it

FITS = Payments for electricity

Green deal = Finance tied to the electric meter to pay for an installation of an energy saving product

two diffrent thing which can work together .


if you pay cash , get a loan or use the green deal for PV you still get 100% of the FITS and EXPORT

its easy to understand !
 
I'm sorry guys we really disagree on this.

the Green Deal incentive, when launched for solar, will be replacing the previous incentive, which, although still exists, was called the Feed-in-Tariff. which in turn replaced the previous incentive called ROCs.


Who's Authority do you have this under? I do see what your saying and i agree that the Government 'could' phase out fits and replace with some kind of green deal finance instead, but this hasn't happened yet.
 

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