Obsolete MCCB panel board

[atm84]

A new extension requires a new TPN mcb dis board and I was looking at serving it from the existing MCCB panel board but breakers for it are obsolete and there aren't any breakers that can be retrofitted into the board.

Who would:
1) suggest the whole MCCB panel board is upgraded and serve the extension DB from the new panel board

Or

2) split the tails after the meter and fit some Lucy blocks; serve a new switch fuse unit and serve the extension DB from the switch fuse. And keep the existing MCCB panel board well alone.

Your thoughts would be much appreciated?

 

[davesparks]

I have just tried to find it however since i last looked the esc have just redone the website, now it seems more aimed at consumers rather than the electrician

i have found

IEE Guidance Note 2 - "Isolation & Switching", p.40






"It is permitted for an installation to have more than one electrical installation. Therefore one 'main switch' is not required to isolate all consumer units simultaneously provided the consumer units have an integral main switch.

does consumer unit extend to TPN mccb panel boards too?

No, they are distribution boards.

 

[spadge47]

Is it a memshield 2 panelboard?

this is because i have quite a few i ripped out a job recently.

 

[atm84]

No it's an old Bill board. Taken over by eaton but they no longer manufacturer mccbs for them.

 

[davesparks]

No it's an old Bill board. Taken over by eaton but they no longer manufacturer mccbs for them.

Bill and MEM kit is identical as MEM bought out bill many many years ago.

 

[atm84]

I cannot get a mccb for the board. I have contacted Eaton direct and spoke to numerous wholesalers.

 

[atm84]

For the record. It's now Eaton not MEM

 

[spadge47]

Well do you know what the part number you need that eatin dont support anymore?

 

[atm84]

Yes I do and have provided to them and there is no mccb that can be retrofitted into the board.

 

[spadge47]

Noteven memheild 2 mccb can fit? They are obselete but i have some

 

[atm84]

No they don't. I need something that is backed by manufacturerd warranty. I'm reluctant to firing something that has been stored at the back of a shelf for circa 15 years hence why I don't want to go down the eBay route.

 

[spadge47]

Right ok. Well these mccb's were removed from a job last month

 

[atm84]

I don't why anyone would install second hand breakers or where supposably new ones have been sat on a shelf for 10-15 years. How can their characteristics be guaranteed?

 

[shanky887614]

I don't why anyone would install second hand breakers or where supposably new ones have been sat on a shelf for 10-15 years. How can their characteristics be guaranteed?

do you recommend a new fb/breakers every 10-15 years then?

its the same thing,

 

[Darkwood]

Their are companies out there that sell reconditioned equipment like panel gear MCCB's, they come with a guarantee too.. I have used these in the past but forgot who the company was - the old gear although obsolete is very robust, well made and reliable. I would be looking own this aisle of thought before writing it off as obsolete or trying expensive ways to retrofit what exists with new circuits etc.

Might have been these ..http://www.ec-services.co.uk/circuitbreakers.php

No wholesaler is going to promote a company that may lose them a sale of new gear

 

[atm84]

do you recommend a new fb/breakers every 10-15 years then?

its the same thing,

No but I do recommend an upgrade of a db when new circuits are required and the existing circuit breakers are obsolete.