Off Peak meter timer wiring

[diabalo]

Hi I was hoping someone could shed light on the wiring of the timer in my daughter's maisonette? I found a wiring diagram of a teleswitch but I can't locate a diagram of this clock which I believe is by Horstman. I understand the liveView attachment 12522 in on the left and the switched live out on the right going to the second, off peak, Henley block, and also the neutral feed to the clock, and the signal wire to the meter. I am puzzled by the live feed to the clock which appears to come from the second, Henley block. Surely this feed is only live when the timer is in the off peak period. I did wonder if the clock took its feed internally from the incoming live before the switch and if the thin wire is actually an output from another switch as in a water heater feed but that seemed unlikely as it goes to the live side of the second Henley block, not directly to one of the three off peak fuseways. I should say that there are no off peak loads any more. The fuseways are still there but all the outgoing cables are gone.
Many thanks in advance.
Rob

 

[Sparkystu79]

The Henley block on the right is permanently live as it is fed direct from the meter so the tail which then goes into the left of the time clock is the live in and the one on the right is the switched live which will become live at the set off peak times. This feeds the Henley on the left which then feeds the off peak consumer units. The thin cables will be a live and neutral to supply the clock motor and a switch wire to switch the meter to rate 2.

 

[diabalo]

Thanks you have confirmed my understanding of the live in, the live out, the clock neutral, and the control wire to the meter. My question/ problem is that what appears to be the clock live comes not from the "always live" Henley block but from the off peak Henley block. That doesn't make sense so either it has been removed and replaced in the wrong place or its not the clock live - hence the hope for a diagram of this clock.

 

[Spazz]

Just seen this - what a mess! How hard would it have been to use a few clips?

 

[Top Cat]

The Henley block on the right is permanently live as it is fed direct from the meter so the tail which then goes into the left of the time clock is the live in and the one on the right is the switched live which will become live at the set off peak times. This feeds the Henley on the left which then feeds the off peak consumer units. The thin cables will be a live and neutral to supply the clock motor and a switch wire to switch the meter to rate 2.

Think you are right about the live coming from the off peak. The meter guy must have done it wrong!

Doesn't mater as i am sure the time clock has clockwork back up and will get power an night time.

The other thing i just noticed, is the feed to time clock coming from the neutral side of henley block??????!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Dan the spark]

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The other thing i just noticed, is the feed to time clock coming from the neutral side of henley block??????!!!!!!!!!!!

It comes out of the back of the Henley block mate, double pole ones

 

[Top Cat]

It comes out of the back of the Henley block mate, double pole ones

Doe! Yes i know, but it appears to be coming out of the front of the henley block which is neutral!

 

[Dan the spark]

Look at the close up in pic 2 mate, u'll work it out if your any good at spot the ball

 

[Top Cat]

Look at the close up in pic 2 mate, u'll work it out if your any good at spot the ball

Cats eyes not what they used to be! Well spotted!

 

[diabalo]

Thanks everyone for taking a look, yes it is a mess and my aim was to remove most of the off peak but obviously retain the clock because its a dual rate meter and a dual rate tariff. Not doing this myself of course but I like to understand what's going on. In other homes I have owned the clock/teleswitch feeds have come directly from the service head, missing out the meter. Could I expect the distributor to put this right at their expense or is that hopelessly naive? Thanks again everyone.

 

[Jay Sparks]

Look at the close up in pic 2 mate, u'll work it out if your any good at spot the ball

Unless its a ball of cotton, he wouldnt of took much notice.....lol.
Meeowww.......


Jay