One to confuse you all!!

[axel132132]

Right then this has now happened to me twice.. and ive not a clue whats going on so if anyone has had the same issue it would be good to see what causing it.

Anyways SO i have a 2G2W light switch upstairs and a 2G2W light switch downstairs.. I Wire them both correct.. Up have Brown from 3-core in Common, then black in L1 and grey in L2 and Live in in L1 and Live out in L2.. that controls the lights on the stairs..

Then i do exactly the same with the upstairs lights. Feed in, feed out L1 + L2 etc.. ok all simple so far..

NOW COMES THE CONFUSING BIT..

The stair lights are working fine on the 2-way wikid..
The LED spotlights in the celing dont work.. OK

SO i swap the cables, basically swapping the switch.. NOW the LED spotlights work on the 2-way but the stair lights dont..

OK so maybe the switch is broke.. Change the switch (TWICE still dosent work)..

Umm maybe i have a strapper down or something.. Bell out the strappers.. BELL OUT FINE.. ok now WHAT the hell is going on here??????? Switch is fine, strappers fine and if i move the strappers from one switch to the other it works so this proves that the Live IN to switch and the Live to the light works an that all the lamps are working..

any ideas anyone?

cheers

 

[thekingiam]

just had time andto read this blog if thats what you call it? i am worrying if members like he is should have pub status as not only he has proved that he can't solve simple solutions,as well as showing disregard of testing regulations and have any common manners to well established members.i may be at fault of the knowledge fact in the future but i am willing to learn,this seems lacking off op ?

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just had time andto read this blog if thats what you call it? i am worrying if members like he is should have pub status as not only he has proved that he can't solve simple solutions,as well as showing disregard of testing regulations and have any common manners to well established members.i may be at fault of the knowledge fact in the future but i am willing to learn,this seems lacking off op ?

 

[timbobelfast]

What did electricians do before the internet was around?


They used one these!!!!

 

[vernam616]

Insane

Your telling us we are thick yet you dont have the intelligence to rectify a simple fault

Ive read your previous posts and threads and it becomes clear how incompetant you really are no matter how much of a master spark you think you are

Seriously get back to school or let a time served competant spark have a look at it, im sorry but if you cant test your own work you shouldnt be installing it.

Did you expect a member to say

" hey axel i had this once before and it turned out to be a ghost turning it on and off downstairs. Had to get the preist round to exorcise"

Take the advice from others, call a ELECTRICIAN

 

[Deleted member 9648]

Interesting read this thread....and sadly an increasingly common scenario on this forum...simple problems which professional electricians...(4 apparently!)....are unable to sort.

Regardless of all the shee-it.......Axel,it would be interesting to hear the outcome of this.....did you need to call Ghostbusters in the end?...or was it a faulty switch?......dont keep us in suspenders mate.

 

[ackbarthestar]

I thought I'd add a little, again.....

End tests can be split into three sections for new build

1/ Dead testing - as you go, nice theory but very rarely gets done due to time constraints and cost of labour, as been demonstrated here

2/ Live testing - performed at the end, but sometimes gets done without dead testing

3/ Commissioning tests after the supply has been energized to check that all the switchgear, timers, sensors and accessories are functioning correctly

I can see that its possible to dead test circuits and come out with a clear sheet only to find that when commissioning the installation that some of the accessories fail to operate as they should.

No excuse for not following proper procedures, they are there for good reason , but, as said, many sparks don't follow the rules because its not financially expedient...

 

[UNG]

What did electricians do before the internet was around?


They used one these!!!!

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And did a 5 year apprenticeship, can't understand that as the job gets more complicated it becomes easier to get ""Qualified""

The over dramatised title to this thread makes it sound like a brain stumping fault when the reality appears very different exactly how faulty can a two way circuit get

 

[UNG]

No excuse for not following proper procedures, they are there for good reason , but, as said, many sparks don't follow the rules because its not financially expedient...

To day following the rules is becoming a must what is not financially expedient now when it is installed may be if you subsequently end up in court explaining why somebody was hurt and you admit to not carrying out a fundamental process in the energising of an installation

I can only assume that the OP having carried out functional testing physically locks the installation off to prevent anybody other than the tester from turning it on

Litigation is one of those things that is in the back of the mind everyday or should I say the consequences if it ends up in court with a guilty verdict against you

 

[wade88]

Fffffffiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhtttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fight fight fight fight!!

:90:

 

[44ALLAN]

My Xmas tree lights aren't working !!!!
Can I still stuff a bit of silver paper in the hole?

TIA

 

[ackbarthestar]

To day following the rules is becoming a must what is not financially expedient now when it is installed may be if you subsequently end up in court explaining why somebody was hurt and you admit to not carrying out a fundamental process in the energising of an installation

I can only assume that the OP having carried out functional testing physically locks the installation off to prevent anybody other than the tester from turning it on

Litigation is one of those things that is in the back of the mind everyday or should I say the consequences if it ends up in court with a guilty verdict against you

Just stating what happens in real life.

99.9% of short cuts don't get picked up because all appears to work well. But, as we know, as the available power increases, the danger increases. So changing a switch in a domestic environment is not going to impact on the safety of a basic sparks, unless he/she are complete numpties.

The rules are there, legislation through EAWR1989 and HASAWA 1974 are there to enforce poor procedures. If people choose to ignore basic safety procedures then its goodnight to the sparks either through electrocution, burns, litigation. and might cause danger to the client...

 

[ackbarthestar]

Fffffffiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiigggggggggghhhhhhhhhhhhtttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fight fight fight fight!!

:90:

Possibly, but I think you are being controversial ........:grinningelf:

 

[wade88]

Possibly, but I think you are being controversial ........:grinningelf:

Who me....never

 

[bigbaddave]

Does anyone know where I can get a copy of the new regs with the second amendment..

You know the one where dead tests are now called tug tests..

 

[VoltzElectrical]

Did you get it sorted today Axel?

 

[DNS1]

Dear oh dear...

Surely Axel, having spent a fair amount of time on here and being an Arms member, would have realised he'd be given a very hard time for some of the things he's said.

I don't think I'd have had the balls to come on here and post about problems with two way lighting (I think I'd have registered a new account and pretended to be a DIYer!)

There are just some things that we're all guilty off, but being guilty of it is one thing, telling everyone about it is just silly! The MCB fairy has a habit of occasionally energising circuits, just as the DNO seal fairy sometimes appears when backs are turned and pulls fuses out...