Outdoor junction box for armoured cable

[Rpa07]

Can I have your Big yellow book if you are obviously not using it - I'm still working from the green book as I'd rather buy tools than books.
Joking aside - I agree with all the above responses, you only live once so get an electrician to tidy and test. He/she may even pat you on the back for the garage installed accessories.

 

[hightower]

I like that High tower!... your right I don't know if it needs Notification as I've not done the a site survey, but its should be one of the first question you think off when working on outside electrics..... And there is the difference there, in your own home you can pretty much do what you like with impunity, but Part P is a Law and you can be prosecuted for non complying..... not that you would think that with the number of prosecution ...

Lolopopo.... if its temporary why don't you just run an extension lead out ?

IP65 Adaptable Box 80 x 80 x 52mm - http://www.screwfix.com/p/ip65-adaptable-box-80-x-80-x-52mm/14556?kpid=14556&gclid=COib36afz9QCFQi-7QodCI4GIA&gclsrc=aw.ds&dclid=CIyB7aafz9QCFQoS0wodje8HxQ

you could use that box from screw a 20mm hole for the SWA and use a stuffing gland for the Twin and earth.... or buy an extension lead with an RCD plug.

Outside doesn't require notification unless other factors come in to play.

@Rpa07 drop me a pm might have something lying about

 

[telectrix]

Can I have your Big yellow book if you are obviously not using it - I'm still working from the green book as I'd rather buy tools than books.
Joking aside - I agree with all the above responses, you only live once so get an electrician to tidy and test. He/she may even pat you on the back for the garage installed accessories.

green book.i'm still on the red one. ( have a pdf of the green though)

 

[Octopus]

You can lead a horse to water...........

 

[telectrix]

You can lead a horse to water...........

but you have to hold his head under to drown him.

 

[Lolopopo]

By temporary I don't mean an extension, there are hard wired lights and RCD box in the garage.

I'm looking at this
Gland Kit CW Exterior 20mm Standard - Toolstation - https://www.toolstation.com/shop/p18776?table=no
And
MK IP66 Masterseal Junction Box Junction Box - Toolstation - https://www.toolstation.com/shop/p54742?table=no

Just need to check the diameter of the armoured cable.

 

[Specialist]

By temporary I don't mean an extension, there are hard wired lights and RCD box in the garage.

I'm looking at this
Gland Kit CW Exterior 20mm Standard - Toolstation - https://www.toolstation.com/shop/p18776?table=no
And
MK IP66 Masterseal Junction Box Junction Box - Toolstation - https://www.toolstation.com/shop/p54742?table=no

Just need to check the diameter of the armoured cable.

So your going to gland the Armoured, what about the 2.5 t/e ?

 

[buzzlightyear]

It was meant to be a temporary solution put in by myself but then I didn't find a suitable box[/QUOTE
yeah, more like did not want to pay a good spark to do the job.
trying to save money!

 

[davesparks]

By temporary I don't mean an extension, there are hard wired lights and RCD box in the garage.

I'm looking at this
Gland Kit CW Exterior 20mm Standard - Toolstation - https://www.toolstation.com/shop/p18776?table=no
And
MK IP66 Masterseal Junction Box Junction Box - Toolstation - https://www.toolstation.com/shop/p54742?table=no

Just need to check the diameter of the armoured cable.

Why do you need to check the diameter of the cable for simple SWA? Just ask your wholesaler for the gland for whatever cable you have.

 

[GlenTavener]

Thanks for all the replies. It's quite funny and I appreciate the concern and advice.

It was meant to be a temporary solution put in by myself but then I didn't find a suitable box in Wickes or Screwfix that would accept the armoured cable.

It is some kind of old box that housed a switch, definitely not water tight.

I will try to find an IP65 box that can be drilled out to size.

I am not an electrician but I am doing a masters in Electronic Engineering, admittedly specialising in embedded software. I also have a copy of the 17th edition BSI Wiring Standards somewhere but I haven't really read it. I don't need an electrician, I just can't find a box. The wiring in the garage is much better! I have emergency stop buttons for the sockets, LED lighting, and a PIR for the lights.

It would seem that you know the answers to your problem so not really sure why the question was asked. Go into any electrical wholesaler, or Screwfix or Toolstation, the boxes you want are not expensive. Be sure to fix the cables outside the box, at present it seems any random jerk on them would pull it all apart. With respect having a copy of the regulations and reading them is only the first step to understanding the requirements, interpretation and experience is very necessary. I could read a book on embedded software but it obviously wouldn't make me an expert. Good luck.

 

[Chivers]

You've used a black as a neutral, and the grey "neutral" as earth. If you're going to bodge it then bodge it properly and get a plastic stuffing gland for the T&E and a Wiska box that will at least be water tight and re-terminate the armoured correctly and with some earth sleeving and neutral blue sleeving at both ends.

What's the Zs at the Garage mate?

 

[Octopus]

What's the Zs at the Garage mate?

My crystal ball expects the next post from the OP to be something along the lines of "whats the Zs"

 

[Specialist]

You've used a black as a neutral, and the grey "neutral" as earth. If you're going to bodge it then bodge it properly and get a plastic stuffing gland for the T&E and a Wiska box that will at least be water tight and re-terminate the armoured correctly and with some earth sleeving and neutral blue sleeving at both ends.

What's the Zs at the Garage mate?

Can't really see him knowing that, not many DIY'ers have a loop tester or MFT.

 

[Colin33]

Hello all,

Got a bit of a situation with my new garage, I've got a 2.5mm cable coming out of the house consumer unit for supplying mains to the garage, there is an armoured cable inside a conduit that goes underground and comes out in the garage. Inside the garage, it goes into its own consumer unit and the rest is good.

The problem I have is the junction outside the house where the 2.5mm meets the armoured cable, I can't find any glands or outdoor rated junction boxes to suit an armoured cable and 2.5mm.

This is how it looks at the moment, not ideal but stays dry with the lid on and I keep the supply off when not in use. It's a random metal box, not suited for this purpose, it has holes in it and doesn't have any ingress ratings.

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Please can someone recommend a junction box to suit both the armoured cable and 2.5mm or similar solution? Thanks!

Lolopopo You will need one of these: 32 Amp Wiska Junction Box 85 x 85 x 51mm - Black IP66 - https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/WK308B.html?ad_position=1o2&source=adwords&ad_id=45425533757&placement=&kw=&network=g&matchtype=&ad_type=pla&product_id=WK308B&product_partition_id=174057601027&test=finalurl_v2&gclid=CL6wzOOt2dQCFa637QoduDEElQ
And for earth continuity on the armoured cable one of these: Wiska Earth Clamp Bar for SWA Glands - https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/WKEC308.html
An SWA gland CW 20mm Small Gland Pack - 3 Part External - https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/TLC20S.html
And for the 2.5 twin/cpc cable: 20mm Nylon Compression Gland Black for Cable 7-10mm² - https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/EK251B.html

Firstly, using a spanner screw the swa gland through two of the seals adjacent to each other on the box to 'break through' these seals. Then remove and fit the swa gland to armoured cable first, then screw the box onto this, then fit the earth clamp inside the box. Make a lead to connect the earth from this clamp to the earth connection inside the box. Fix box to wall in a way which will leave both cables exiting from the underside. Now screw in the plastic cable gland and fit the 2.5 twin/earth cable. Although some will slate you for using the black as neutral and grey as earth, it really makes no difference as long as they are taped or sleeved in some way to indicate their use. However, it's very important to check how they've been used at the garage end of the armoured cable and replicate this. Let us know how you get on, and maybe post a picture of the finished job so that someone can point out any potential problems before you re-energise the circuit.

 

[telectrix]

Lolopopo You will need one of these: 32 Amp Wiska Junction Box 85 x 85 x 51mm - Black IP66 - https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/WK308B.html?ad_position=1o2&source=adwords&ad_id=45425533757&placement=&kw=&network=g&matchtype=&ad_type=pla&product_id=WK308B&product_partition_id=174057601027&test=finalurl_v2&gclid=CL6wzOOt2dQCFa637QoduDEElQ
And for earth continuity on the armoured cable one of these: Wiska Earth Clamp Bar for SWA Glands - https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/WKEC308.html
An SWA gland CW 20mm Small Gland Pack - 3 Part External - https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/TLC20S.html
And for the 2.5 twin/cpc cable: 20mm Nylon Compression Gland Black for Cable 7-10mm² - https://www.tlc-direct.co.uk/Products/EK251B.html

Firstly, using a spanner screw the swa gland through two of the seals adjacent to each other on the box to 'break through' these seals. Then remove and fit the swa gland to armoured cable first, then screw the box onto this, then fit the earth clamp inside the box. Make a lead to connect the earth from this clamp to the earth connection inside the box. Fix box to wall in a way which will leave both cables exiting from the underside. Now screw in the plastic cable gland and fit the 2.5 twin/earth cable. Although some will slate you for using the black as neutral and grey as earth, it really makes no difference as long as they are taped or sleeved in some way to indicate their use. However, it's very important to check how they've been used at the garage end of the armoured cable and replicate this. Let us know how you get on, and maybe post a picture of the finished job so that someone can point out any potential problems before you re-energise the circuit.

you after the booker prize?