Oven with 13a plug top

[daveboy]

Been asked to fit new oven , which comes with a 13a plugtop , there is no socket close to plug into , if i cut plug off and connect into cooker unit connection behind cooker , do i have to adjust the 30a cooker unit fuse.

 

[stevethesparks]

Not ideal as the 13 amp fuse will not be easily accessible, but I would prefer an unswitched fused connection point rather than plug and socket combination. Many ovens come with a label on the flex "do not fit plug" as so many are prone to overheating. Either way it would not be necessary to replace the mcb.

 

[Timbo]

You could wire a single socket into the cooker outlet plate, using suitably sized cable.

 

[stevethesparks]

You could wire a single socket into the cooker outlet plate, using suitably sized cable.

Original post #3 changed - forget

 

[daveboy]

Not ideal as the 13 amp fuse will not be easily accessible, but I would prefer an unswitched fused connection point rather than plug and socket combination. Many ovens come with a label on the flex "do not fit plug" as so many are prone to overheating. Either way it would not be necessary to replace the mcb.

there is a plugtop on the oven , but there is no socket available unless using one above worktop which would be unsightly, there is the cooker plate connector under unit level , straight from the cooker unit above, not sure if i cut the plug off to connect into the cooker plate then 13a oven is only protected by the consumer unit fuse of 40a. reading conflicting opinions on various sites ,

 

[stevethesparks]

If you replace the cooker outlet plate with an unswitched fused outlet you will not have to adjust the mcb, and you negate the use of a plug and socket, but it would make it necessary to remove the oven if ever the 13 amp fuse popped, so as said - not ideal

 

[telectrix]

best option is replace the cooker outlet with a single socket. then plug oven in. MCB in CU can remain.

 

[daveboy]

If you replace the cooker outlet plate with an unswitched fused outlet you will not have to adjust the mcb, and you negate the use of a plug and socket, but it would make it necessary to remove the oven if ever the 13 amp fuse popped, so as said - not ideal

so choices are fit a 13a socket and plug it in then its protected by fuse in the plug , or fit a 13a fused dp switch, or wire straight into the cooker plate , which i dont like the idea of , but many of these sites say is perfectly ok

best option is replace the cooker outlet with a single socket. then plug oven in. MCB in CU can remain.

this is what i,m thinking as long as i can get a socket on with the 6mm cable , a lot of these sites/threads are saying its ok to wire straight into the cooker outlet as the fuse protects the cable not the oven .

 

[brianmoooore]

Oven should not be plugged into an existing 13A kitchen socket, as a 2kW+ fixed appliance should have its own supply.
By supplying the oven with a 13A plug fitted, they are effectively instructing that the oven should be protected by a 13A fuse.
The best way of connecting this is to fit a 13A socket connected from the existing cooker switch, in a cupboard adjacent to the oven. If the current drawn by the oven can reach close to 13A, I'd cut the plug off and use a 13A FCU instead.

 

[stevethesparks]

or wire straight into the cooker plate , which i dont like the idea of , but many of these sites say is perfectly ok

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If its a fixed load - element only, you may get away with that, but highly likely it will have a fan so not really a fixed load.
If you have the space to put a socket in an adjacent cupboard as said in post #9 that may be your best option. Its a personal thing with me to avoid ovens on plugs and connections added to connections, I prefer a more direct route. As said, my personal opinion - of which doesn't always count.

 

[stevethesparks]

Just out of curiosity, what shape is the cooker isolator?

 

[daveboy]

Just out of curiosity, what shape is the cooker isolator?

I havent seen it yet my son told me over the phone he,ll show me a picture tonight , but he says it is a new build house .

 

[stevethesparks]

I havent seen it yet my son told me over the phone he,ll show me a picture tonight , but he says it is a new build house .

Well if its the square type, just to confuse things, and give you another option - you could replace with a two gang grid with a DP 20 Amp switch on one side, a fuse carrier on the other, and then cut the plug and connect straight into the outlet. At least the fuse would not be hidden anywhere.

 

[daveboy]

Well if its the square type, just to confuse things, and give you another option - you could replace with a two gang grid with a DP 20 Amp switch on one side, a fuse carrier on the other, and then cut the plug and connect straight into the outlet. At least the fuse would not be hidden anywhere.

thought of that, now i think of it ishouldn,t new builds have the option of a socket under the units i,ll need to see his picture he said something about being unable to change outlet to a socket , he,s a gas engineer , i usually connect up these things for him ,but couldn,t attend today, so he,s got a fairly basic idea about these things ,i,ll need to wait and see.

 

[MrPupsi]

Replace the cooker switch above the worktop with a 13a switch fused spur, and then the cooker outlet under the worktop with a single socket.

No downgrading of the MCB required.