Part P

[DurhamSparky]

Just to sum it up


Part P is a building Regulation that is statutory and which must be followed when carrying out electrical work in domestic property.

Part P is NOT a qualification and any body going around saying they are Part P qualified and have a certificate are talking Bull....!! You DO NOT need to do a 2 week VRQ course
Electrical Course | Part P Electricial Course like this one with a training scheme to register as a Competent Person.

YOU NEED TO BE COMPETENT....!! this can be achieved by undertaking formal Electrical Quals at a college or by a training provider...!!

You do however need to know about the building Regs and Part P....!! you can download Approved Document P from the planning portal website.

The following schemes are the most popular with domestic sparks. Elecsa, Niceic and Napit. Upon registration with them you will be required to conduct a formal technical site assessment that will involve you changing or modifying the electrical set up drastically (Rewire/ Cu Change)

If you pass the assessment you are then freely allowed to carry out work in areas designated by building control that fall under the Part P umbrella http://www.partp.co.uk/downloads/public/CLGbuildingworkleaflet.pdf and any work that you carry out can be notified and signed off through them (the schemes) at a small cost (£2-4) and they will inform LABC for you.

If you decide not to register with a Part P scheme. be preared that notification of work to LABC can cost hundreds of pounds and drastically increase your price. They will also expect you to still carry out the tests and paperwork before they arrive to SIGN IT OFF


Recommended courses to do are:

A formal Technical Certificate that is achieved at Level 3 on the NQF (National Qualification Framework) i.e

C&G 2330 or BTEC Advanced/National Diploma.... This gives you the Underpinning Knowledge to build on. (achieved via college or distance learning 18months - 24months is time scale)

You will also Need 17th Edition Wiring Regulations C&G 2382 (if you dont have this you wont get any where in the trade.)

NVQ 3 2356 (its a Craft Certificate that although not needed is very desirable and normally achieved when doing an Apprenticeship but now freely available to "Bolt on" to your current Qualifications via distant learning.

C&G 2391 the ultimate qualification in the electrical world..! Inspection and Testing only to be achieved with considerable site and technical knowledge, closed book exam with a 30-40% pass rate.

C&G 2392 (lesser qualification of the 2391 and aimed at new sparks with little knowledge of inspection and testing, normally used as a starter course to grasp the fundamentals of what's required)

Signing off your work..!!!

you DO NOT need 2391 to sign of your work but you will be expected to have knowledge of inspection and testing to an achievable standard required to carry out and fill in the test results.
You also do not Need 2391 to carry out PIR's but should any thing happen and you go to court the 2391 certificate is your lifeline to prove competence in the field.



hope this helps...

comments and alterations welcome

 

[trev]

Don't won't to join a scheme, seems like a rip off to me, but in Cornwall the ****king council charge £172 for notifable works, every single notifiable job. Don't seem to have much choice. NICEIC or NAFIT, pick your thief

By the way mate the F bomb is frowned upon in open forum

 

[joelea]

Someone told me that it starts at £22 in Southampton

 

[Dave 85]

You are an employers dream. You'll under cut any qualified spark, you'll do anything for a wage, you've also admitted that people who do these watered down courses are not the complete electrician! This is what the right wing/Tory elite have been trying to achieve for years......breaking the controls of employment the electricians and their union had and bring the "free market" into the fold! Safety will be compromised due to job pressures and so will quality of workmanship.

Hey man.... Don't knock the right wing/Tory elite they will be the saviours of this once glorious nation. It's you safety obsessed lefties/unionists with your criminal labour government who have F'd the country beyond all recognition....

 

[joelea]

Sorry for dropping the F bomb. It just annoys me. There does not seem to be away around forking out shed loads of dosh. From reading around forums it seems that the so called 'inspection' is often very brief and not worth the effort.

 

[joelea]

I have applied for NICEIC registration and now need to find 2 new circuits to put in to complete registration. I have only found one such job so far. Can't publicise myself as 'Registration Pending' so all I've got is word of mouth and all the jobs I'm getting from friends and friends of friends are minor works. Catch 22

 

[Tonkatoy27]

I have applied for NICEIC registration and now need to find 2 new circuits to put in to complete registration. I have only found one such job so far. Can't publicise myself as 'Registration Pending' so all I've got is word of mouth and all the jobs I'm getting from friends and friends of friends are minor works. Catch 22

You can usually use you own house for your 1st inspection

 

[joelea]

I'm renting

 

[joelea]

I could ask the landlady if I can put in some garden lights

 

[reefagrim]

I have applied for NICEIC registration and now need to find 2 new circuits to put in to complete registration. I have only found one such job so far. Can't publicise myself as 'Registration Pending' so all I've got is word of mouth and all the jobs I'm getting from friends and friends of friends are minor works. Catch 22

guess what i believe that you can take a hint and as such i would say " what your parents garage needs a extra socket done on a radial " obviously make sure the system that it actually connects to is suitable but you get the picture ....( there is nothing to say that the work done has to be paid for or cannot be done in a neighbours or family property so in effect you would be better to have 3 jobs one consumer unit one power and one lighting i expect they will choose the consumer unit first then the lighting !!!!

as for some of the other commets i have read i agree its a unfair system but unfortunatly its the way of the land if you want to work then choose the manner for your fleecing .. i still agree that the scheme has many advantages but its regularity i dont agree with a assessment 3 to 5 years would be better i cannot see the regulations changing that often however did you all see the mistakes in the first of the 17th edition hence why it was revised..

Recently i met a man who was of to a major organisation for a course on how to " be a electrician in england " in just 2 weeks he would be able to do your job best of all the answers would be provided by the training scheme after all there is such a major short fall of electricians in the country " thata because half of them are not electricians they are idiots who done a course and expect to become one in a very short time "

frightening but i dont worry when i sleep after all they didnt wire my house !!!

 

[joelea]

Thanks for the advice. I have put a new consumer unit in a friends house and will be putting one in to another friends house so hopefully 2 new consumer units will be enough for NICEIC.

 

[aprillove1719]

Hey you got it!!!! amazing.... thank you for giving as more knowledge about it...

yeah!!! two thumbs up :29:

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[joelea]

Just sent off the paperwork to NICEIC to get my inspection for registration. As mentioned above I have fitted 2 new consumer units. Has anyone been through this 1st inspection process recently? What should I expect?

 

[tesla09]

good infomation
will come in handy

 

[old dog]

From the NICEIC website

The qualification is achieved following successful completion of all 14 modular components, each of which has either practical assessment units and/or multiple choice theory assessment units. The modular components cover the significant aspects of electrical installations practices associated with domestic premises and when completed will satisfy the competency requirements of the Government Approved Competent Persons Schemes.

The DISQ is a 5 day programme comprising of training and assessment, to meet all the needs of the competent person scheme



You may or may not agree with my comments, however I need to make these comments because I feel the Niceic is, and has bee,n destroying the domestic sector for the traditional spark



There is no critisism of yourself intended with my comments,because this course was hopefully intended for people with the on the job experience that you have but who lack qualification for domestic installs covered by part p building regs

There is no evidence of on the job experience or training required as a pre requisit for entry on to their course that I could find,so they just sign them on,charge a lot of money then sign them up


How do they possibly think that 5 days of training manages to give the theoretical and practical skills required before being let loose on the unsuspecting customer, wholly unprepared unskilled workers , with the endorsment of that deplorable organisation the Niceic the customer may be unknowingly re assured by registration with that contemptable lot

What takes many people years of hard work and study ,to then find that an organisation such as the Niceic promotes this sort of thing is pathetic and annoying

If I were a member of that shoddy outfit I would make it known to them that they are selling the trade of electrician down the river for a few bob in training fees




There got that off my chest

Good post I have been saying that for a long time.
It seems a case of using semi skilled DS to fill the void left by the lack of apprenticeships.
I came out my time 1978 I went back to college2oo7/8 done EAL domestic installer, ( part P )
17th edition and 2931 ,
No problem with Qualifications . However paying to prove I am competent. After being in the game over 30 years
Ok thats my rant over, for now

 

[joelea]

Hi Old Dog

I didn't do that course I did an NCS 18 month course. I got made redundant aged 49 and wanted to retrain as an electrician. There was no government support for someone my age doing this and no one providing the training locally so I did a home study course with 4 away weeks. I realise this does not make me as capable as someone who has done a 3 year apprenticeship but I've got to start somewhere and I am determined that I will not do anything that is beyond my capabilities. Electricity is just too dangerous to take risks with,