Part P

[DurhamSparky]

Just to sum it up


Part P is a building Regulation that is statutory and which must be followed when carrying out electrical work in domestic property.

Part P is NOT a qualification and any body going around saying they are Part P qualified and have a certificate are talking Bull....!! You DO NOT need to do a 2 week VRQ course
Electrical Course | Part P Electricial Course like this one with a training scheme to register as a Competent Person.

YOU NEED TO BE COMPETENT....!! this can be achieved by undertaking formal Electrical Quals at a college or by a training provider...!!

You do however need to know about the building Regs and Part P....!! you can download Approved Document P from the planning portal website.

The following schemes are the most popular with domestic sparks. Elecsa, Niceic and Napit. Upon registration with them you will be required to conduct a formal technical site assessment that will involve you changing or modifying the electrical set up drastically (Rewire/ Cu Change)

If you pass the assessment you are then freely allowed to carry out work in areas designated by building control that fall under the Part P umbrella http://www.partp.co.uk/downloads/public/CLGbuildingworkleaflet.pdf and any work that you carry out can be notified and signed off through them (the schemes) at a small cost (£2-4) and they will inform LABC for you.

If you decide not to register with a Part P scheme. be preared that notification of work to LABC can cost hundreds of pounds and drastically increase your price. They will also expect you to still carry out the tests and paperwork before they arrive to SIGN IT OFF


Recommended courses to do are:

A formal Technical Certificate that is achieved at Level 3 on the NQF (National Qualification Framework) i.e

C&G 2330 or BTEC Advanced/National Diploma.... This gives you the Underpinning Knowledge to build on. (achieved via college or distance learning 18months - 24months is time scale)

You will also Need 17th Edition Wiring Regulations C&G 2382 (if you dont have this you wont get any where in the trade.)

NVQ 3 2356 (its a Craft Certificate that although not needed is very desirable and normally achieved when doing an Apprenticeship but now freely available to "Bolt on" to your current Qualifications via distant learning.

C&G 2391 the ultimate qualification in the electrical world..! Inspection and Testing only to be achieved with considerable site and technical knowledge, closed book exam with a 30-40% pass rate.

C&G 2392 (lesser qualification of the 2391 and aimed at new sparks with little knowledge of inspection and testing, normally used as a starter course to grasp the fundamentals of what's required)

Signing off your work..!!!

you DO NOT need 2391 to sign of your work but you will be expected to have knowledge of inspection and testing to an achievable standard required to carry out and fill in the test results.
You also do not Need 2391 to carry out PIR's but should any thing happen and you go to court the 2391 certificate is your lifeline to prove competence in the field.



hope this helps...

comments and alterations welcome

 

[jonesyc894]

So am I right in saying. If your competent and part of a scheme you can kick the part P to one side??

 

[malcolmsanford]

So am I right in saying. If your competent and part of a scheme you can kick the part P to one side??

No you still have to abide by Part P of the building regulations.

 

[tazmantic]

>>>>

Every body agrees with this. This is the point from which we all start. The question is - what to do about it?

How about we buddy up? Each person with the experience but without the Quals teams up with the person with the pieces of paper but no experience.
A year or two of self employed domestic work should give each one the chance to get their missing experience/qualifications.
I'd say a forum like this would be the perfect place to set something like that up.

Laurie

Count me in........So who wants to train this thicky and when can we start :0)

 

[pcuz]

Hey all
Ive just gone through this whole thread (11 pages) which has been an eye opener as I AM one of those Joe Bloggs, Mr No-Experience, Short course dudes!
I havent started it yet, or paid either (Im getting funding) but Im thinking I should direct the funding elsewhere as I was always skeptical about how 16 days would turn me into a qualified sparky. Unfortunately, being 41, options are running out and Id spent ages doing research before I finalised on Electrical training, so cock knows what I can do instead.
Incidentally, the training centre I spoke to totally gave me the impression that they were more interested in the money than anything else. When they discovered I was being funded, the greedy dog (I could hearing him slavvering, I swear it) even asked how much I was getting so that he could "extend" my training.
Plus, with no experience, by the sounds of things, Id really struggle with the training, though I was pencilled in to do a 5 day pre-part P foundation...But that means nada to me, it could be important or might be a shopping list.?!?
Thanks for all the posts. Really enlightening.

Paul

 

[DurhamSparky]

glad you took time to read the thread..!

 

[ruprecht]

I am an approverd electrician with the 2400 design erection and verification certificate, which is more than adequate to be part p registered,with one of the approved bodies.

Regards Rob

 

[02tsnowdon]

I going to become part of napit usually what work is acceptable to Show em as part of the assessment the minute I work for someone and can there insurance be used to cover the work I did. What qualifications and books are needed for all this, many thanks

 

[Spudnik]

Hi and welcome.

If you check the Napit website it will have all the info you need.

If anything isnt covered then you can ask the lads here.

They are a good bunch and they dont bite, as i keep them fed regularly.

 

[tony2010]

Hey pcuz, give it a go but choose the training company carefully. I'm 55 and starting out. I did the short course (4 weeks), one week basics, then Part p building regs, 17th Ed. and then 2382. It was a very good course and I met some great people, including experienced sparks (taking parts of the course) updating their quals. I have to agree, though at the end if you pass all the exams and assessments you may be certificated to start in the business, you are most certainly not capable (in most cases, mine included). Lucky for me, one of the experienced sparks took me on board and patiently let me work with him for a while. I've now passed my 2391, and we still work together on and off. If you are willing to learn and listen there is a route in via short courses.

 

[brav]

You can download them free from the IEE site.

where i cant see it on the site? cheers

 

[woofwoof]

Hello everyone,

This is my first post in here(be nice please) anyway I'm a plasterer looking to get out(sick of the mess) I have done some wiring moving sockets 1st fix wires 2nd fix etc only domestic side nowt to major.

What I'm looking for is what do i need to be able to do domestic work. I.E is it worth paying for part p or is it worth getting the 17th ED. I have been reading alot of the stuff on here and there is that many things iv got myself total lost. I know you guys get asked this question alot some if some could just go here read this or your need etc etc i would really like that if not il keep reading. I only need domestic side of sparks as my dad is a kitchen fitter and if i can past my own work iv got a job etc.

 

[ELIMINATOR GUY]

Hello everyone,

This is my first post in here(be nice please) anyway I'm a plasterer looking to get out(sick of the mess) I have done some wiring moving sockets 1st fix wires 2nd fix etc only domestic side nowt to major.

What I'm looking for is what do i need to be able to do domestic work. I.E is it worth paying for part p or is it worth getting the 17th ED. I have been reading alot of the stuff on here and there is that many things iv got myself total lost. I know you guys get asked this question alot some if some could just go here read this or your need etc etc i would really like that if not il keep reading. I only need domestic side of sparks as my dad is a kitchen fitter and if i can past my own work iv got a job etc.

If you speak to the NICEIC they will tell you the minimum requirement is 17edition and Part P (or DISQ) these courses will only prove you know the basics, being time served is the only true way of being an electrician.

Hope this helps

 

[woofwoof]

If you speak to the NICEIC they will tell you the minimum requirement is 17edition and Part P (or DISQ) these courses will only prove you know the basics, being time served is the only true way of being an electrician.

Hope this helps

Yes it does thank you very much for the fast reply i understand il never be a electrician and 4 years at college is not a choice i have at my age now. I just want a job i can enjoy and get paid for moving sockets in kitchens little rewire easy life for me.

 

[tony2010]

Good advice from Eliminator Guy (though he looks pretty frightening). You will need both of those qualifications plus you will need to be able to test your work so that you know that you are leaving it safe. You need to be able to put it in according to the regs and then confirm that it is connected properly and working and safe. Most of the courses provide all the qualifications, but then doing it without a safety net is something else. Best find someone with some experience to help you till you are confident and safe.

 

[woofwoof]

My m8 has been a sparky for 40 odd years so he is taking me under his wing for the next year but he is not up to date with test he just does work and his pal tests and passes it etc I dont know the crack there but works for him. I just want basics so i can pass and test my own work. I would never do anything i thought would hurt someone( i dont fancy going to jail or killing someone) moving sockets running cables etc nowt to much. i agree with everyone on here about ppl that just jump on part p and go yeah baby im a sparky etc ( same as me doing 4 years plastering and someone does 4days and tells me its the same) but they can plaster but they are not at the same level I'm If you understand my point. Just want to be safe and pass my own work with out doing 4 years or more at college and im not wanting a micky mouse ticket at the same time. I will always call a sparky if its past my skill level not chancing others or my own life.