Part P

[livvid]

Hi all,

I passed the VRQ level 2 Cert for Domestic installers 500/4385/7 in November 2010, just after that i was made redundant.
Now i am in a financial position to carry on training I am 39 so will need to pay for it myself.

I would like to carry out domestic only, all electrical wiring and including consumer unit replacement and testing with self cert.

Can somebody please tell me the next steps i need to achieve this so i can budget financially.

I have spoken to a couple of governing bodies and am more confused than ever.
I understand I need to do the 17th Edition exam next, but where do i go from there?

1, VRQ Level 2
2, 17th Edition exam
3, Register with Napit, etc
4,?
5,?
6,?


Thank you in advance its much appreciated

 

[dpg2]

It sound like the people calling these domestic installers are worried about something all they can do is put down anyone who asks for help. If your time served and good customer service what you got to worry about. if they come along do a good job and get plenty of work and you've got no work who's fault is that, there's for going out trying to earn living and doing a good job and getting work by word of mouth and god forgive them for coming on here and asking for a little advice. Or yours for being so experienced domestic is underneath you come on here an rip into any one who has done less training then you come on wind your neck in folks.
Just before you attack me I did a full apprenticeship back in 1996 but I have no issue with any one who took a shorter route then me.

 

[guest119]

It sound like the people calling these domestic installers are worried about something all they can do is put down anyone who asks for help. If your time served and good customer service what you got to worry about. if they come along do a good job and get plenty of work and you've got no work who's fault is that, there's for going out trying to earn living and doing a good job and getting work by word of mouth and god forgive them for coming on here and asking for a little advice. Or yours for being so experienced domestic is underneath you come on here an rip into any one who has done less training then you come on wind your neck in folks.
Just before you attack me I did a full apprenticeship back in 1996 but I have no issue with any one who took a shorter route then me.

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[dpg2]

There's always one smart arse

 

[guest119]

There's always one smart arse

Full stop. :biggrin5:

 

[dpg2]

Behave.

 

[7029 dave]

Domestic installer= new breed=Electrical Trainee IMO.

 

[Dazza1976]

What's a Domestic Installer?

If there isn't such a thing as a domestic installer why do NIC EIC promote such a thing ?

I have seedy many a van with NIC Domestic installer sign on it ?!!

 

[Andy78]

It sound like the people calling these domestic installers are worried about something all they can do is put down anyone who asks for help. If your time served and good customer service what you got to worry about. if they come along do a good job and get plenty of work and you've got no work who's fault is that, there's for going out trying to earn living and doing a good job and getting work by word of mouth and god forgive them for coming on here and asking for a little advice. Or yours for being so experienced domestic is underneath you come on here an rip into any one who has done less training then you come on wind your neck in folks.
Just before you attack me I did a full apprenticeship back in 1996 but I have no issue with any one who took a shorter route then me.

I have a problem with the 5 week training route, but it's not that I'm scared of the competition, I get my work and reputation of my own doing.
I do not and cannot support a system that puts people into customer's homes after 5 weeks of training. If the system fully trained people in that time then they would not be on forums all the time asking to be pulled out of the brown stuff. Just think how many people are going around that don't ask for help. That are courteous and polite and so develop a good reputation with their customers. But are going around performing substandard installations completely outside the knowledge of their customers, and probably even themselves.
The system has no way of weeding out substandard work until something goes wrong, so until that is changed surely the best way is to make sure everyone is properly trained and experienced before working unsupervised ?

 

[Andy78]

If there isn't such a thing as a domestic installer why do NIC EIC promote such a thing ?

I have seedy many a van with NIC Domestic installer sign on it ?!!

Because they partly invented the term.

 

[livvid]

Hi all, I am competent, I originally carried out the training as I carried out a full loft conversion to my own house, I needed a Sparkie and this happened.
i called 8 yes 8 local numbers
4 replied and turned up at my property
2 actually gave me a quote
1 electrician stood in my hallway and said, well I won't lose any Sleep if I don't get your work, he never gave me a quote despite me calling 2-3 times
the 2 quotes returned were roughly £1500.
the course was £1500, so I attended and carried out my own work under supervision of a fully qualified tech from a company I hadent thought to ask months earlier, who tested and signed off my work, I took pictures and got building control to check as I went along.
We fit bathrooms and kitchens, so the part p is ideal for my line of work.
i understand frustrations, and true 5 days doesn't make a electrician and I respect that, I have to say I was gobsmacked from the response of my first post, thankyou for those that have aired on the nice side, thanks for your advice.

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[Engineer54]

Originally Posted by Dazza1976
If there isn't such a thing as a domestic installer why do NIC EIC promote such a thing ?

I have seedy many a van with NIC Domestic installer sign on it ?!!

Because they partly invented the term.

Not partly, ....soley, it served a valuable purpose (deskilling the industry) Allowing under trained, under qualified, inexperienced to be registered as competent when they clearly couldn't possibly be!!

 

[Engineer54]

Hi all, I am competent, I originally carried out the training as I carried out a full loft conversion to my own house, I needed a Sparkie and this happened.
i called 8 yes 8 local numbers
4 replied and turned up at my property
2 actually gave me a quote
1 electrician stood in my hallway and said, well I won't lose any Sleep if I don't get your work, he never gave me a quote despite me calling 2-3 times
the 2 quotes returned were roughly £1500.
the course was £1500, so I attended and carried out my own work under supervision of a fully qualified tech from a company I hadent thought to ask months earlier, who tested and signed off my work, I took pictures and got building control to check as I went along.
We fit bathrooms and kitchens, so the part p is ideal for my line of work.
i understand frustrations, and true 5 days doesn't make a electrician and I respect that, I have to say I was gobsmacked from the response of my first post, thankyou for those that have aired on the nice side, thanks for your advice.

Wow, that was convenient for you and a technician as well, and that after previously calling 8 others sparks as well!! lol!! Please behave, do you really think that were all that gullible!!!

OH, and No you're NOT competent, it's an out and out impossibility, for you to be even remotely close to being competent after 17 days or 5 weeks at a training centre....

 

[PEG]

Hi Livvid,although i for one,do appreciate your situation and candor in explaining your route to the position you are in,you are going to have to realise you MAY have turned up as a guest speaker at a rabbits strategy meeting,wearing a rabbit-skin coat and rubbing a lucky bunny foot. The advice you require is sadly best gained from dudes who have probably got to their position by following a longer,harder route and therefore,will raise hackles. My own personal view,is,that you should seek what you need by speaking to the "over-seeing" bodies you have mentioned. Then,after a few years of training,learning and experience,you can pop up on a forum such as this,and in all probability,add input and opinion. Do not think that some of the opinions are flippant or derisory,as they are also certainly correct to a greater or lesser degree. At the risk of boring you further,a great many years ago,i,as a keen enthusiastic teenager,used to visit a heavy crane yard near myself,owned by a long standing local family. I was ADAMANT that my future lay in that area,and mythered them to death,only to be ragged royal by the two sons who said,and i can remember it like it was this morning,"Stick to nowt bigger than 1/4 Whit son,it's best if you do..." Over the years i ended up back in that yard doing calibration,inspections and repairs to items that both fellas were free to admit,they had no knowledge of how they functioned. They are well into their 70's now,and good,family friends,and i cite their early derision,as a factor in my determination to acheive my aims.Good luck,pal

 

[livvid]

Nope you've missed my point entirely! Never mind, tgznks for putting me down anyway

Wow, that was convenient for you and a technician as well, and that after previously calling 8 others sparks as well!! lol!! Please behave, do you really think that were all that gullible!!!

OH, and No you're NOT competent, it's an out and out impossibility, for you to be even remotely close to being competent after 17 days or 5 weeks at a training centre....

 

[Engineer54]

It sound like the people calling these domestic installers are worried about something all they can do is put down anyone who asks for help. If your time served and good customer service what you got to worry about. if they come along do a good job and get plenty of work and you've got no work who's fault is that, there's for going out trying to earn living and doing a good job and getting work by word of mouth and god forgive them for coming on here and asking for a little advice. Or yours for being so experienced domestic is underneath you come on here an rip into any one who has done less training then you come on wind your neck in folks.
Just before you attack me I did a full apprenticeship back in 1996 but I have no issue with any one who took a shorter route then me.

Then you surely are one in a million!!! So, you can't see any problem whatsoever with the deskilling and general downward demise of your industry?? ...So i guess you're one of these fellas that don't give a ---- about anything, until it eventually affects You!!