Pat testing for self-employed individuals

[Deleted member 105166]

…...in many cases, it's on the instruction of their insurance provider.

^^^ This.
Within the mobile entertainment industry, bands and DJs performing at hotels, golf clubs, community halls, etc. are asked for a copy of their public liability insurance and proof of PAT. If they cannot provide it, they won't be allowed to play there. This is generally a requirement of the venue's insurer.

 

[martinbebb]

Where to will I find it Please.

 

[westward10]

Find what?

 

[Deleted member 105166]

Where would I find it Please.

This may help.

Martin, as I mentioned in another thread, you would benefit from taking the 2377-32 exam, as this covers the management requirements for maintenance of equipment, which most of your questions seem to be about.
IIRC, you indicated the course you took recently gave you a competency certificate, but not a C&G 2377-22 qualification.
Have a look at the 2377-22 and 2377-32 combined courses available. Also, as you've indicated you are competent from the training and test you took, definitely do some actual testing before you go on the C&G, even if it's just appliances at home. It will make better sense of everything for you and give you questions to ask that you won't think of from the classroom alone.

 

[martinbebb]

There is no legal requirement for PATesting. The legislation which must be followed are Health and Safety at Work Act 1974, Electricity at Work Regulations 1989, The Provision and Use Work Regulations 1998 and The Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1999.
One way to satisfy some of this is PATesting but it is not the only way to satisfy this legislation. These Regulations apply to one person enterprises as well as any other business.

Is this stated somewhere

 

[martinbebb]

I’ve cut and pasted it from a previous entry

 

[westward10]

Is PAT Testing A Legal Requirement? - PAT Testing - https://www.pat.org.uk/is-pat-testing-a-legal-requirement/

 

[123]

I hate PAT Testing. I offer it as a bolt on to existing customers but I do a little jump of joy if they bring in a standalone company to do it for them instead.

The prices that many of the PAT companies charge per item I couldn't get near to competing with anyway (60-100p an item).

 

[Devonchris]

Link to HSE myth busting site

Case 9 - Complainant queried if law had been changed for Portable Appliance Testing in low risk environments - http://www.hse.gov.uk/myth/myth-busting/2012/case009-pattesting.htm

Elsewhere on that site you will see that the HSE don't even have their own office equipment PA tested. It's just another money making scam exploited by some unscrupulous individuals.

 

[martinbebb]

It just makes it hard moving forward. I don’t want to miss advise anyone or exploited anyone. It’s down to the individual to chose whether they want the service carried out. But if I’m saying they should, then I’d need to be able to show them in black and white why. Most people will not spend money if they can get away with it.
Different sites have it worded slightly different. The previous post said these regulations apply to single person enterprises as well as any other business.
Then the link Posted words it different. Then the last post of the link from the HSE website says it MAY be necessary.

 

[123]

From @Devonchris HSE link: The complainant queried if the law had been changed for Portable Appliance Testing to be undertaken on double insulated items, such as kettles, in low risk environments such as offices.

Well...I've yet to see a Double Insulated Kettle. Not sure if many if any exist. Poor information from the HSE there.

 

[Devonchris]

123
I agree, not very clear info from the people who police it. I added the link as a way into the site. This one may be better.

PAT (Portable appliance testing) - HSE's answers to popular questions - http://www.hse.gov.uk/electricity/faq-portable-appliance-testing.htm

 

[Aurai]

Hello Everyone

I think the preliminary question might be better put as:

Does the Health and Safety at Work legislation apply to a self-employed person?

Answer this one as yes and you accept the need to protect yourself and those around you, your principal, duty of care.

Then you realise that making sure your tools are safe to use in your work is a responsibility you must Accept. As we know, the schemes and employers expect you to make an onsite Risk Assessment each time you arrive on a job.

Then, when you get into appliance testing, you learn that registers and logs are part of the management side and a preliminary visual check and checking your cables for nicks are part of daily practice.

Regards

 

[ipf]

Hello Everyone
Does the Health and Safety at Work legislation apply to a self-employed person?

Answer this one as yes and you accept the need to protect yourself and those around you, your principal, duty of care.

Then you realise that making sure your tools are safe to use in your work is a responsibility you must Accept. As we know, the schemes and employers expect you to make an onsite Risk Assessment each time you arrive on a job.

Then, when you get into appliance testing, you learn that registers and logs are part of the management side and
a preliminary visual check and checking your cables for nicks are part of daily practice.

Regards

and it all just leads to people making money out of others' 'common dense'...….

 

[pirate]

" Hello Pirate, I've got a new tenant coming in next week. Can you come and do the PAT testing (sic)"

"Yes, of course...what have you got?"

"Oh, just a kettle, microwave, toaster, oven and hob...and maybe 6 table lamps, stuff like that".

"Why do you want me to come and test them?"

"Because I want to be able to demonstrate that I have at least tried to make sure they are safe for the tenant to use"

"OK, fair enough. I'll need to do a full risk assessment, including PA testing of my drill in case I need to use it to make some holes in the walls"

"WHAT???"

"Can't have it blowing up and killing us both, can I?"

"Are you serious. Pirate?"

"No! I'll do it myself, and as I don't employ anyone else, I can just get on with it...but you will have to stay at a safe distance, obviously"

"Whew! I was a bit worried there! So, you will come round and test these items so that they are safe to use? That's it?"

"Yup, just like that!"

"May I ask how much it will cost?"

"Of course! You are half an hour away, you have maybe a dozen items to test, assuming no problems, maybe an hour...how about £80?. I'll do the paperwork in the evening and email you the results, but I'll sticker the passes at the time."

"How about £50?"

"Oh...what's the rent?"

" £1500/month"

"No"