Peoples thoughts Rcd protection

[Gazthesparky]

I can not make up my mind what to do for the best.

I've now encountered this a few times so just want peoples thoughts on this situation

I have a customer who wants single socket fronts swapping for double conversion sockets they don't want the mess to the decoration.

I went out to quote for the work and check the wiring all PVC so good there but there is no RCD protection on any of the 3 socket circuits. The board is a GET 60898 MCB board confuses me why people installed boards with no rcd protection at least on the socket circuits.

So if i look at installing RCBOs in-place of the breakers its very expensive plus GET doesn't exist anymore as i believe schneider brought GET out so at best im hoping one of those RCBOs will fit.

But doing this means that the 3 RCBOS that are required cost more than the materials cost for the sockets and customers are not prepared to paythe extra cost.

So my question is as i'm just replacing the socket fronts and not actually altering the wiring do I need to install RCD protection to the circuit? If I was altering the circuit I would of course install it with RCD protection. I always carry out testing and provide a test certificate but I know from conversations on the forum before that some of you suggest that simply replacing an accessory front doesn't require testing and certification.

So just want to get peoples thoughts as its adding an extra 72ish quid to my quote. My thoughts are not to do the RCBO addition as i'm not altering the circuit just doing replacement. Then listing it as a note on the test certificate

Cheers for your thoughts/recommendations

 

[Octopus]

Its like when people are asking about pricing but don't say where in the country they are.................. or are very vague!

 

[ferg]

I'm not sure I agree with that.
Profile information is personal data, of a sort, and as such users are perfectly entitled to share it with as many or as few people as they like.

Some folks are naturally wary of sharing everything and anything on line.

Given the current climate with Facetwitgoogamabobs I would say rightly so.

 

[Spoon]

I'm not sure I agree with that.
Profile information is personal data, of a sort, and as such users are perfectly entitled to share it with as many or as few people as they like.

Some folks are naturally wary of sharing everything and anything on line.

Given the current climate with Facetwitgoogamabobs I would say rightly so.

But then just do what I do and put very limited info in there in the first place..

 

[ferg]

That's kind of my point by choosing who sees what you can tailor your profile accordingly.

Anyway out of spite I've just changed my privacy settings

 

[telectrix]

i need to change our privy. it's cracked.

 

[Bob Geldoff1234]

The reason I rated his post dumb is because the difference between earthing something and having rcd protection is completely different.Earthing and bonding are electrical safety requirements and MUST be done to any installation.Rcd protection is classed as addition protection.While RCD protection is highly advisable the installation is not inherently dangerous without it where as no earthing system in place is dangerous.So his post got rated 'dumb' because it's not a valid comparison.
As for questioning my reasons for keeping my profile 'private' then that's my choice and shouldn't be questioned over my decision as if I have something to hide.I feel that online data is best kept to a minimum.

 

[Midwest]

As for questioning my reasons for keeping my profile 'private' then that's my choice and shouldn't be questioned over my decision as if I have something to hide.I feel that online data is best kept to a minimum.

I agree, look what ---- Trump's got himself into.

 

[Bellendian]

If 72notes is a dealbreaker then I'd suggest trying to find a better source of work!

Out of interest, lets imagine we all agree on the fact that the socket outlets themselves require RCD protection, and as mentioned, an RCD socket outlet could be used to achieve that. Then how do we deal with the fact that the cables supplying said socket are likely to be buried at a depth of less than 50mm and might well need additional protection themselves?

Basically, if the cable is existing and already in the wall, and all you're doing is 'changing the bit on the end' is it ok to not provide additional protection to the cable?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

If 72notes is a dealbreaker then I'd suggest trying to find a better source of work!

Out of interest, lets imagine we all agree on the fact that the socket outlets themselves require RCD protection, and as mentioned, an RCD socket outlet could be used to achieve that. Then how do we deal with the fact that the cables supplying said socket are likely to be buried at a depth of less than 50mm and might well need additional protection themselves?

Basically, if the cable is existing and already in the wall, and all you're doing is 'changing the bit on the end' is it ok to not provide additional protection to the cable?

Yes.
Your work has to comply, but there’s no requirement to upgrade the existing installation.

 

[Midwest]

Basically, if the cable is existing and already in the wall, and all you're doing is 'changing the bit on the end' is it ok to not provide additional protection to the cable?

If your in a scheme, have your tried asking their opinion? Think you'll get the same reply.

 

[EalingBadger]

I'm not sure I agree with that.
Profile information is personal data, of a sort, and as such users are perfectly entitled to share it with as many or as few people as they like.

Some folks are naturally wary of sharing everything and anything on line.

Given the current climate with Facetwitgoogamabobs I would say rightly so.

Except, of course, that the real problem is not the occasional internetter / "stalker" curiously peeking into profiles one at a time but the mass data loss experienced by web sites when they are hacked and the details of everybody stolen en masse.

In that scenario having a profile that is marked for limited access will be a completely useless form of defence as your data is going to get stolen regardless, along with everybody else's.

 

[Spoon]

I have no data to steal....

 

[EalingBadger]

I have no data to steal....

At the very least you have a logon name and a password.

 

[Spoon]

At the very least you have a logon name and a password.

Password is not used anywhere else. They can pinch all they want.
If my posts all of a sudden become all sensible then everyone will know I've been hacked....

 

[static zap]

At the very least you have a logon name and a password.

..email ?