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IMO you would be absolutely knocking your socks off every day to try and get any where near the required target and even then corners would be cut and hardly any inspection would be taken place. There's easier ways to earn money
 
You would end up playing catch up every day , or having the kids calling you uncle daddy.
That interview is loaded.
 
yeah definitely out

Yes, but you're having doubts, aren't you? You want somebody to convince you that E1.95 per circuit is Ok or even could be justified by a clever accountant to be above the minimum wage.
Think of it, its money in your pocket, its money to spend down the pub, its an honest wage...............


Don't fall for it... its worth taking a couple weeks off the pop to find something more fulfilling, possibly self employment ?

Those bloody agencies ...... a bunch of scheming blaggers
 
Doing a hotel at the moment priced off old Certs at 40% of 72 bedroom hotel. Gotta go back tomorrow after day 1 as previous test was only worth about 4% found loads of extra db's. Done about 40 circuits between 2 today after a 3 hr drive finished at 9 just back from pub. Not worth it in the op's case imho
 
So I decided to ask some questions from them to clarify a few things and this was the response.

Me.What was the setup regarding tests is it just a sample test done or a full inspection are previous test reports normally available.

Company.
It is a full test and inspection of 100% unless we state otherwise i.e 20% test over 5 years, I would say 50% of jobs previous reports are provided, as you can imagine some clients have lost their previous reports or have never had it tested.


Me.What is the situation if im unable to do the required 40 tests in a day for instance im sent to a property there is 40 circuits to test but du to the property being occupied or certain restrictions I can only do 30 would I be allotted time another day to complete would it go as a general limitation and id move on or would it be a case of I need to get it done no matter how much of my time it takes I only ask as to do 40 id be looking at 12 minutes a test assuming all 40 are on one site and that’s a lot less the the NICEIC state 30 minute average I only ask as I don’t want to cut corners and jeopardise myself or the company as ive looked down the barrel of the HSE blame gun I was completely innocent but its scary stuff and can end careers and crush even the biggest of companies...

Company
.We spend 15-20 minutes to verify a circuit, if the circuit is not found after this time it will be marked as unverified. If the job was bad and 40 was not accomplishable (Some jobs like old factory’s are like this as all the wiring is old) we would send you back the next day if needed. Most engineers would work on to finish as it would be cutting into the bonus for the next day.


Me.
On average how long are the guys on site so start in the morning and finish in the evening excluding travel to get the base 40 done and using your example what sort of hours are guys doing to get 60 done.

Company.
.Engineers usually work 8am-4:30pm, this can vary though. Depending on the type of job depends on how many circuits will be complete on that day.


Me
.What is the situation regarding the test are full tests expected or only sample tests done.

Company
.We always do full tests if full access is available, If not there will be certain limitations agreed with the client beforehand.

Minutes in a eight hour day: 60x8=480 minutes
Minutes a day spend searching for circuits (five minutes per circuit): 40x5=200 minutes
Time left to do any testing: 280 minutes a day
Tests to be carried out:
1x visual inspection / sampling
3x ring continuity checks
1x R1+R2 or R2 check
3-4 x insulation resistance checks
1x polarity check
1x earth loop impedance check
2x RCD trip times checks
1x RCD test button check
Total items per circuit = 14
Assuming you only have to carry out half of them = 7
Total number of tests to be carried out in one day = 7x40=280
Time for testing (280 minutes) Ă· Total number of tests (280) = 1 minute per tested circuit (This would have to include all the paper work)
You know what you should have done? You should have made them an offer they couldn’t refuse.:biggrinjester:

Company: It is a full test and inspection of 100% unless we state otherwise.

You: If this is such a good idea, you go out and do the test and inspections and I will stay here and talk a lot of **** for you!:)
 
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P.S Just to add, it is the customers who are driving these prices as they don't really care what state their electrics are in, as long as they get a "satisfactory" report and everything still works as it has done for the last ten years!!

Jay

And have someone to sue when it all goes wrong

I suppose its just possible to test 40 circuits in a long day,

I think it would be one hell of a long day

but I know there will be short cuts taken if its done by one person.

It's likely there will be short cuts taken with two people
 
At them prices I would be sat making the results up from the van.

On a serious note the testing team at work dead test anything between 20 and 60 motors a day when they are shut down.
 
Hey guys was wondering if there are anyone here who does commercial PIR testing for a living only ive been offered a job by a testing company the salary is slightly low for London area but they offer ÂŁ3 a test over there daily set tests the thing is they want 40 circuits tested a day is that achievable or are they setting it high enough so you never earn more but they get free OT.
Ive asked around already and most say 40 is unrealistic and the company in question Lantei have a habit of issuing test certs covered in LIM so i was wondering if anyone who works solely as a tester has some input.

What they require is for you to record circuit details (using some poetic license) and take Zs's. Make up / calc the rest. Sad but true.
 

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