PIR - EICR documentation

[NMc]

I am starting to lose this one

We are where we are EICR lets look forward

It now appears that different providers have different reports

 

[oldtimer]

I am starting to lose this one

We are where we are EICR lets look forward

It now appears that different providers have different reports

Great I will look forward as soon as I can buy the pads to do an EICR

 

[baldsparkies]

This is what I suspected all along. I knew this would happen. Ther SHOULD NOT be a mandatory cut off point. There should be a phase out phase in period. And during that period the new certs would HAVE to be available or it just wouldn't work. What do I mean Wouldn't ??? It HASN'T.
Its all as clear as MUD lads. How many pages on the new Domestic EICR. The old Domestic PIR (DPR) was only four pages.
So the new job is easier to use lads yes ?????? ok lol.

 

[Mark_Burgess]

Am I missing something??? I have just downloaded the new EICR from the Elecsa website and it is only 6 pages long!!
Whats the score?? Is the one Ive downloaded an old one? Is there a new EICR already that has 11 pages?
My brain hurts:banghead:.

Cheers

Jay

Elecsa have no excuse as they have teamed up with PIRform, so they should at least have manual forms correct with the software company they have teamed up with!!!

 

[baldsparkies]

FROM THE HORSES MOUTH

Have checked with NICEIC technical. The position with regards EICR's becoming mandatory from 1st June 2012 has in fact been waivered.
You CAN now still use the PIR certs until the 1st June 2012. At which time the EICR will become mandatory.

As I have been saying, or should I say ranting, this is in line with what I and many others have been feeling/saying.
Its just that the so called experts take a little longer to put common sense into practice, as opposed to what we mere mortal sparkies had managed to work out for ourselves, LOL.

 

[dodge26]

Having spoke to the NIC early last week, they stated it looks likely it was going to be put back to the 1st June, so if its official all good, then we can iron out the problems in the meantime, which would of been to obvious in the beginning, until it went wrong.

 

[oldtimer]

Having spoke to the NIC early last week, they stated it looks likely it was going to be put back to the 1st June, so if its official all good, then we can iron out the problems in the meantime, which would of been to obvious in the beginning, until it went wrong.

All Good !!!!!!!!! Dodge you must be the eternal optimist if I came to your house and did the first fix and then said I will be back in 6 months to finish it even although I stated that it would be completed last week what do you think . This whole farce beggers beleif I wonder what would happen if I said to one of these clowns I would like to register with you use your logo but I will pay my membership in 6 months even although your terms and conditions say I need to pay straight away

 

[dodge26]

I am not sure how they can actually get away with it....Looking forward to my NIC visit next month, instead of receiving 120 questions, I am fully armed...

 

[baldsparkies]

I am not sure how they can actually get away with it....Looking forward to my NIC visit next month, instead of receiving 120 questions, I am fully armed...

They will either come out with the same old BS. Or sigh, shrug and agree with you.
It will come out something like!! (But unfortunately, because of my position i can't comment officially, but off the record I think, ect ect ect.)
Either way, don't ever expect any definitive answers.
They all go into politicians at question time mode. lol

 

[NMc]

Here the bottom line

The wiring regs are only guidance. The 1st amendment came into force the 1st Jan this year along with the new model form for EICR. You are allowed deviations from the regs. You can design your own forms if it suits you but it should be based on the model form

Years ago the NIC meant that you are seen as an approved recognised company but now I am not sure. Scheme providers have now come along and it appears that they have found a way to milk money out of the industry

I remember when you completed a job you issued a completeion notice and summitted a test notice to the local electricity board what happen? why have we allowed this? why do we need scheme providers to submit our work to building control?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Yes the Regulations are only guidance, and are not statutory or legaly binding.
However if you produce and sign a document stating such and such, whatever you state must be true, or you are commiting fraud, or in many cases producing a false instrument.
If your document states that the I&T has been conducted in accordance with BS7671, it should be in accordance with whichever version of BS7671 is in force at the time the work was carried out.
No you are not allowed deviations, you are allowed departures, and such departures must offer the same degree of safety as would be achieved by compliance with the Regulations.