pir questions

[dochisholm]

ok my first pir is going ok. COuple of questions to finish ot up firstly there was no earth at a metal light in the lounge as it was twin with no earth replaced for insulated pendant ok for a code 4 now?. The downlights in the upstairs hall are class 2 rated with no earth running to them on twin cable code 4?. finally in writing up my report i have put testing or only accesbile sockets. This incorporates drops to appliances under worktops is this an acceptable term for limitation or should i clarify also any sockets i could not access due to furniture e.t.c

 

[Guest 004]

If you can show me some hard evidence that ALL code 2's are unsatisfactory I will gladly accept the fact, and indeed go back to the engineers of that council, and shove it where the sun dont shine. I am just a doer, they are the engineers.

 

[sjm]

It's a fast-track way to losing respect and trust on a forum.

I just hope anyone learning the ropes reads the whole thread and comes to the right conclusion.

Sorry IQ can't quite work this out, is it aimed at me?

Edit: Long day, wrong end of stick.

 

[IQ Electrical]

Sorry IQ can't quite work this out, is it aimed at me?

Absolutely not!!!

 

[IQ Electrical]

If you can show me some hard evidence that ALL code 2's are unsatisfactory I will gladly accept the fact, and indeed go back to the engineers of that council, and shove it where the sun dont shine. I am just a doer, they are the engineers.

What is the meaning as per BS7671:2008 of a 'code 2 defect' ?

Answer: Requires improvement

If something requires improvement, is it then satisfactory for continued service?

Read the list of code 2 defects in the guide that you already have and tell me which ones you'd be happy to ignore, bearing in mind that once you issue a 'satisfactory' report, no further defects are likely to be rectified!

If you still can't man up and admit error for the sake of this thread and anyone learning the ropes, I give up.

 

[sjm]

I recently done a PIR that consisted of 70 DB's fed via 2 400 Amp 3 phase sub mains, any code 1 issues had to dealt with immediately, as the client wanted a satisfactory report. (as agreed by all the client engineers) After the report was submitted, an order was then placed to rectify all the code 2's.
This was done for a London Borough Council

Isn't this the correct procedure??
Code 1's require immediate action and code 2's require remedial action as soon as possible in order to rectify a potential danger.
With this in mind how can an installation with code 2's be classed as satisfactory.
I think that the fact that "an order was then placed to rctify all the code 2's" speaks volumes don't you!

 

[Guest 004]

I am man enough to admit defeat, and as I read 'it is not reasonable to issue a satisfactory report for a code 2 defect'. Now if this read 'a satisfactory report MUST NOT be issued if a code 2 defect has been found....
Look guys I am with you on this, and indeed wonder why these engineers agreed that code 2's would give a satisfactory report. This was also agreed with the engineers above me at that particular time.

 

[IQ Electrical]

Isn't this the correct procedure??
Code 1's require immediate action and code 2's require remedial action as soon as possible in order to rectify a potential danger.
With this in mind how can an installation with code 2's be classed as satisfactory.
I think that the fact that "an order was then placed to rctify all the code 2's" speaks volumes don't you!

Reading that though, he submitted a 'satisfactory' report with code 2 defects still present!

 

[Guest 004]

Isn't this the correct procedure??
Code 1's require immediate action and code 2's require remedial action as soon as possible in order to rectify a potential danger.
With this in mind how can an installation with code 2's be classed as satisfactory.
I think that the fact that "an order was then placed to rctify all the code 2's" speaks volumes don't you!

Indeed

 

[IQ Electrical]

I am man enough to admit defeat, and as I read 'it is not reasonable to issue a satisfactory report for a code 2 defect'. Now if this read 'a satisfactory report MUST NOT be issued if a code 2 defect has been found....
Look guys I am with you on this, and indeed wonder why these engineers agreed that code 2's would give a satisfactory report. This was also agreed with the engineers above me at that particular time.

You won't find the words 'must not' in a guide (also applicable to Guidance Note 3)

 

[Guest 004]

OK to conclude, I issued a 100 page report that had code 2's, and was issued as satisfactory, and this was accepted by the client, and indeed was signed off by my QS, who to be honest is very by the book. As said before I am just the doer! they are the engineers!

 

[dochisholm]

i am confused as to why it is a code 2 it doesnt require improvement if there is only class 2 equipment used and a warning label affixed to the cu

 

[Guest 004]

i am confused as to why it is a code 2 it doesnt require improvement if there is only class 2 equipment used and a warning label affixed to the cu

start a new thread mate, please dont hijack this one
'peace'

 

[telectrix]

the reason i would give it a code 2 is that the original installation had cpc's on the lighting circuits. but somebody modified the circuit by installing fittings and omitting the cpc's. this action obviously breached the integrity of the original installation.

 

[sjm]

I am man enough to admit defeat, and as I read 'it is not reasonable to issue a satisfactory report for a code 2 defect'. Now if this read 'a satisfactory report MUST NOT be issued if a code 2 defect has been found....
Look guys I am with you on this, and indeed wonder why these engineers agreed that code 2's would give a satisfactory report. This was also agreed with the engineers above me at that particular time.

Fair enough.
Perhaps the report was only satisfactory based on a prior arrangement/works order to rectify all code 2's and you weren't made aware of this.

 

[Guest 004]

oops I think I/we have hijacked the thread 'lol'