Please Explain The Lack Of Brexit

[andyb]

@ andy and des. it's not the trading position with europe that made us vote for out. it's the meddling corrupt eu, interfering with our laws etc.,telling us we can't eat bananas that have a bend radius < xx millimeters ffs. sending all the riff raff unskilled immigrants they don't want, but let them in anyway.

You have never been told what shape fruit you can eat Tel, but hey, don't let the truth get in the way. I remember seeing Boris Johnson at the start of the referendum campaign stand in front of a crowd and say with a stupid grin on his face that it is ilegal to sell bananas in bunches of more than 2. And that was in front of the TV cameras and no one challenged him.
The EU do not send their unskilled 'riff raff' here, unskilled workers come here to pick fruit, lift crops, work in factories, work in the care sector, the hospility sector and on and on. Can't be bothered to list more as I'm of to work.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

britain is several countries, and if you include the commonwealth britain is substantial

News just in, we no longer have a trade agreement with the Commonwealth.

 

[Darkwood]

27 nations are staying together because it gives them great trading advantages over other countries who are not in the club
Many more non members are desperate to join the club

No they are not, the way the 27 member EU is at the moment is now pushing away other nations because they have to negotiate with 27-members rather than one, this makes it very complicated to refine a deal with each member. Recently the UK has secured deals with China, India etc as a pre-empt sweetener to our upcoming new position, China stated it is very difficult trying to negotiate with a 27member block but very quick easy and simple to negotiate with an independent nation. If you want further proof of this, this has been expressed by the EU elite themselves as an issue, this is why they are driving to become a superstate and removing powers from its members.

One country has this delusion that its largest and nearest trading area (which it is leaving)has for some reason been expected to give them preferential treatment in matters of trade agreements

Firstly we are leaving what is no longer a trade union, we however are not ceasing trade, although there is a lot of remainers rhetoric that the EU will punish us it is not exactly in a good position to do so, it has to maintain that impression to limit a rising of other EU nations leaving, behind closed doors it is we who are in a very strong position, we owe little to nothing as can be confirmed by taking it the legal route, the EU has not done this because they know the answer 'lack of action speaks very loudly here', any money we pay out is actually a goodwill gesture to keep on good terms, the only outstanding issue would be pensions which we can transfer to us and deal with ourselves, our assets are roughly equal to our commitments at this moment in time.
We are in negotiations, like a boxing match we see a war of words, undermining of opponents etc to try swing public opinion, it's really strange how the media jumps on and flushes the TV with any and every comment the like of Barnier, Tusk, Macron etc say, these comments, leaks and expressed opinions are all designed to try show they have a stronger position than they have and to try sway public views, reality is that the UK is in a very strong position and they know it, shame the press fail to show this viewpoint in equal measures.

Trade agreements takes a decade or more to form and this country will be getting hit for six when its finally realised that the EU can get along without us very well thank you
Never mind,I'm sure there will be agreements with Chad,El Salvador and perhaps Burma in future that may make up for our EU divorce
Yes other trade agreements do take years or even decades or never actual transpire like the USA, that been said, they need this kind of time to bring there own products, standards and requirements in line with the EU, this can take many yrs. The UK on the other hand is already in line with ALL these issues and actually leaves very little to be sorted out, we are in a unique position and you cannot compare us to other nations be it Canada, Turkey or an internal member outside the Single Market.

I have followed EU politics for a few decades now, I see misguided rhetoric on both sides in the media while the main points are clearly been missed, if you want your children to live under the EU rule where they have no democratic system that allows them to remove those that decide how they live there lives then we could remain in the EU, if you wish to carry on paying higher prices on tariffed goods like shoes clothing and food from the EU because they have ring-fenced the trade block then lets stay in the EU, if you want low quality goods at over inflated prices because high tariffs have been imposed on any competition outside the EU then let's stay in, if you want to join the failed Euro as this would be an eventual certainty if we stay then why not let our economy take the hit for shoring up the failing southern member states, like we already do..
The EU model is failing, its currency HAS failed and is only been kept afloat by the bankers fears of another world crash if it does go under... I can cite any of my opinions with solid data and not left or right wing rhetoric from a daily rag.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

From what I understand, the UK does not have to apply any EU law that our UK government decides it doesn’t want to.

 

[elsparko]

You see this makes my point elsparko.
Des 56 makes a perfecty valid point about the EU, one which you can disagree with and make a reasonable counter argument if you wish. But you can't get more than a couple of papagraphs in before you revert to type and have another rant against foriegn people.

You do know that Africa and the middle east are not places in Europe right? It's got nothing us leaving the EU.

You quite rightly say that we are the 5th richest country in the world (though I suspect that we're probally 6th now after the devaluation of the the pound since the referendum) Where do you think we would be if we were never in the EU? 3rd 2nd? the biggest economy?

obviously africa and middle east arent in europe, trhat is where the majority of the immigration is coming from though, do you not pay attention to the news?

if you knew me you would know how outrageous your "you hate foreigners" nonsense is.

fancy a chat with some of my immigrant friends who think exactly the same as i do?

 

[elsparko]

From what I understand, the UK does not have to apply any EU law that our UK government decides it doesn’t want to.

tell that to abu hamza.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

He probably already knows.

 

[elsparko]

He probably already knows.

yeah he does, as he used the eu human rights nonsense to avoid extradition to face charges of terrorism, a bloke who loses his hands making bombs, openly preaching hate on our street and it took almost a decade to do anything about him, because of your buddies in brussels.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Yes he used an EU law that our government decided to adopt.

 

[elsparko]

im not asking for a ban on muslims to this country, all im asking is that security services treat them as we are, how many muslims get away with rape because of council officials and police too afraid to appear racist? because of people like you who cant discern that islam is not a race.

 

[elsparko]

we have MPs getting fired just for making lewd comments 15 years ago, yet groups of men in pyjamas can openly call for murder of westerners, whilst living here at our expense.

you obviously dont know enough about islam to even debate on this topic, go read the quran.

 

[elsparko]

our police cant even enter mosques without taking their shoes off, can you imagine a drug dealer asking the police not to raid their property and the police actually abiding by it? finsbury park mosque, where a vast portion of the terrorist attended, not even raided.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Not interested in the Quran, Islam or Muslims.
I’m interested in facts and the truth that you seem to want to ignore.
Teressa May before she became the Prime Minister was the Home Secretary.
She has been reducing the Police and Security budget since the Tories came to power.
Now you want the security forces to do something which Teresa May is preventing them from doing.
You blame Merkel.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

our police cant even enter mosques without taking their shoes off, can you imagine a drug dealer asking the police not to raid their property and the police actually abiding by it? finsbury park mosque, where a vast portion of the terrorist attended, not even raided.

Rubbish.
I’ve entered Mosques without taking my work boots off, so don’t tell me the Police can’t.

 

[elsparko]

Not interested in the Quran, Islam or Muslims.
I’m interested in facts and the truth that you seem to want to ignore.
Teressa May before she became the Prime Minister was the Home Secretary.
She has been reducing the Police and Security budget since the Tories came to power.
Now you want the security forces to do something which Teresa May is preventing them from doing.
You blame Merkel.

youre interested in facts yet you ignore the blatant problem with islamic extremism in the 21st century? seems a bit contradictory.

if it was women and children fleeing syria and the middle east with their children i could understand that, islamic nations oppress their women and children to the point of slavery, so yes they should be granted asylum.

what you want to do is bring the problems they ran from in the first place here by importing the misogynist , bigoted men from said countries.

do you want to live next to someone who has probably witnessed a beheading or participated in something similar? you think its ok for islamic nations to behead and hang people for simply leaving islam? women are being told to dress modestly because a certain demographic cant help but rape anything that isnt in a hijab.