Please HELP!!!

[KWHElectrical]

Hi guys, just started here as well as on the field. I worked mainly as commercial 1st fixing throughout my whole aprentiship and 2nd fixing but did not have any experience within the consumer units nor how to test. I now have experience within the domestic housing but not enough and therefor on here.

This is my first EVER POST PLEASE go light! I am so stuck its un-true. Maybe I’m over thinking things but I have a job coming up that I’m pretty nauseous about.

So the customer (a friend of family) asked me to give them a simple quote. (As to which I have) They had a quote before and I have looked at it and found that I can do the job £400 cheaper and that’s still given me enough profit. They are happy and want me to proceed.

The only problem is I don’t know what the hell this sparks is quoting them for?!?!

I am not NICEIC registered but I do have my Part P and REALLY need the money.

So this sparks has quoted them this:

· to wire and install 1 new 60amp single phase switch fuse disconnector to be
located within the property for isolation of the consume unit as per site
requirements. Consumer unit is more than 3m from the main service head.

· To disconnect and remove existing standard consumer unit from within the
property and replace with 1No new 12way, dual RCD protected 17thEdition
current regulation consumer unit to existing location along with the necessary
circuit breakers to provide overload/ disconnection protection. Standard circuit
breakers are designed to trip out in 5s where as RCD circuits are designed to
disconnect in 0.4s.

· attend and install cable clips to secure the main earthing cable in the
basement for the gas and water.

· attend and install cable clips to secure the mineral insulated cable in the
basement. Cable currently hanging down in various places.

· To replace the broken lamp holder in the loft.

· supply and install the necessary protective cross bonding earthing to the
piping in the top floor immersion heater cupboard.
· To safely isolate and label circuit number 3 is not in use

· To safely isolate and label circuit number 3 is not in use

· To supply continuity on the kitchen lighting earth.

· Supply earth terminal on the chandelier in the main bedroom and ground floor.

· To supply and install fire protection hoods to be installed above the
existing kitchen lighting as per site requirements. Fire protection hoods are
placed above the existing down lights and will stop the spread of fire in the event
of a serious fault taking place.

· To re-wire basement light into new control panel

· To supply and install fire alarm fittings (these will run off the lighting circuits)
1x Heat, 2x Smoke & Fire sensors.

OK SO MY PROBLEM IS, where is this guy saying he wants the 60A disconnector AND why only 60A not 100A? Does he want this in a separate unit that is before the consumer unit? If so what rating should be in the consumer unit as the main isolator switch???

2ndly, does the installation HAVE to be signed off by an NICEIC registered person? If so how much will this cost? AND if not can I do it as I do have a MEGGER mulitmeter tester Inc. RCD measure, as well as the required paper work.

Guys I may need some help planning this simple installation but it is for an insurance Job so I want to be as precise as possible.

Please help.

Thanks Guys

 

[Andy78]

Looks like the OP vanished into thin air

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I passed some part Peee earlier on ,

i nearly passed some reading through this...(involuntarily)...

 

[Geordie Spark]

Looks like the OP vanished into thin air

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Can someone please remind me what this thread started out as????

 

[Knobhead]

i think the OP needs to take stock of any critisisms in here..and burn some midnight oil digesting BS7671...then applying it to the works he carries out....

I think the OP should just give up.

His customer must be off their head if they take this fool on to save £400!

 

[Andy78]

I think the OP should just give up.

His customer must be off their head if they take this fool on to save £400!

I reckon after all the headscratching and titting about time on this job, he will end up £400 out of pocket.

 

[amptramp]

and what does it mean by `partP passed`?

should that read partially pi--ed or part p tastic mate.

 

[jaypp]

one thing (out of many) i have learnt fairly recently, i am ashamed to admit, is that there is 'a' valid reason why work carried out by trades can appear 'expensive'. yes, work can be done cheaper and to a similar standard, but when there is a problem during or after work's carried out, then the difference will show. my latest 'catchphrase' is; 'they might not be the cheapest, but if there's a problem, they'll always come back'.

 

[Andystraughan]

By what means are you feeding the new consumer unit if it's more than 3 metres away?

 

[R G]

Looking at the quotation ,thats if its printed out the same ,it doesn't look as if the sparks quoting the work originally has a clue either ..

 

[amptramp]

Never argue with an idiot ,he will reduce you down to his level ,then beat you with experience.:banghead:

 

[Marvo]

I reckon after all the headscratching and titting about time on this job, he will end up £400 out of pocket.

I suspect this is a real possibility although it may have been said in jest.

The only problem is I don’t know what the hell this sparks is quoting them for?!?!

It sounds like you've quoted on a job the you don't fully understand the scope of works or any idea of how you're going to sign off or notify the work or how much this will cost.

It sounds like you haven't done any preliminary testing of the installation.

and found that I can do the job £400 cheaper and that’s still given me enough profit. They are happy and want me to proceed.

I'm sure the homeowner is over the moon with your price but how on earth do you know if you'll even break even if you you don't understand the scope of works and you don't know your signing off/notifying costs?

 

[Andy78]

Not an ounce of jest Marvo. I can see it a mile off. Just as I can see a dissatisfied customer with half a job done in the not too distant future.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

I suspect this is a real possibility although it may have been said in jest.


It sounds like you've quoted on a job the you don't fully understand the scope of works or any idea of how you're going to sign off or notify the work or how much this will cost.

It sounds like you haven't done any preliminary testing of the installation.

I'm sure the homeowner is over the moon with your price but how on earth do you know if you'll even break even if you you don't understand the scope of works and you don't know your signing off/notifying costs?

i`v already asked him this...

i just dont think he has a sweet doodle clue....sorry Marv....

 

[uksparks]

Just read all 6 pages.... Flipping heck!

 

[Bright Spark]

Giving a Certificate to customer!! BUT how you going to register the job if you're not in a 'scam' sorry "scheme"!!!

Anyone can pull cable, installs, etc!!! Leave the job to professionals!!!!

 

[longboat]

is this a true statement?

It may be stretching the truth to breaking point, slightly.

 

[telectrix]

i've not read every post, but the previous spark who quoted is 1 MCB short of a full board.

 

[GLENNSPARK]

i've not read every post, but the previous spark who quoted is 1 MCB short of a full board.

stick a blankety blank in....should be OK...

 

[telectrix]

main earthing conductor to gas and water, FFS,MCBs dis. in 5 seconds. mein gott.

 

[R G]

main earthing conductor to gas and water, FFS,MCBs dis. in 5 seconds. mein gott.

Is that not true then ,,,,LOL

 

[telectrix]

if it is, then i've got a load of certs to rewrite.

 

[R G]

if it is, then i've got a load of certs to rewrite.

No Sleep tonight then ...

 

[telectrix]

i'll sleep like a baby, mate, having spent last night in the morgue, sorry leighton ospital.

 

[ipf]

Good advert for Part Peeee on his 'home page'........at least it's passing water, I suppose.

 

[markc123]

stick a blankety blank in....should be OK...

This thread is a bodge, so if we're talking bodge lets bodge properly here ok ... fk the blank and just shove some tape over the gap!