polarity argument at work

[Olliew]

What do use in emergency lighting brown permanent live black switch live or black permanent live brown switch live obviously grey neutral major arguments at work please help to settle

 

[needasparks]

Just to throw something else into the mix we use alot of prewired fittings on commercial install and they all come with brown switched and black perm on all the emergency fittings which the plugs are tamper sealed, this i guess matches the switched only fittings which as you know are brown switched. I know many manufacturers use this system so i stay with it to keep it the same throughout the job.
Only on domestic where i choose the colours do i use black as switched but this stems from the old colours.
Its a bit like a two way switch with what colour to common ? Does it matter as long as its marked.

 

[Octopus]

Lenny don't tell me about my attitude please because nothing is out of line. And tbh Íve been sparkying for over 20 yrs now and I love my job and have a great passion for it and it really gets to me when people act thick and class black as permanent. Rant over !

You've got a cheek. A new member with 3 posts is picking a fight with a moderator - keep this up and you'll be banned!

 

[Deleted member 26818]

How many posts do you have to have made before picking a fight with a moderator is allowed?

 

[Darkwood]

Ive got a tenner on Lenny in the 3rd round

 

[tazz]

I go a tenner with you.....still prefer connecting grey to brown, black to grey and blueee to bits.....!

 

[Knobhead]

Can't see it getting to the third round.

 

[1shortcircuit]

I still think there should be a POLL.

Ban the abusive member Yes or Ban the abusive member No

 

[Guest123]

I still think there should be a POLL.

Ban the abusive member Yes or Ban the abusive member No

I'll give ye a poll then.atriot:

 

[Guest123]

***poll added***

 

[tazz]

Would suggest the electric chair myself....but I`m worried who might of wired it, can be dangerous things those chairs if you mix your browns with your blacks...

 

[Adam W]

Well I use brown for switched live and black for auxiliary live (permanent feed to emergency fittings) like it's intended for.
If most of the lights aren't emergency fittings the colours in the flex will be brown, blue and green & yellow, so you use brown for the switched live just the same as you do throughout the rest of the installation.
In the emergency fittings the colours might be brown, black, blue, and green & yellow - the extra colour being black to be used for the extra terminal you've now got (auxiliary live).

There was me thinking it was obvious...

 

[Darkwood]

At Derektaylor .. it seems from your post #2 that you have been arguing with the new bloods over the years and got to a point where you wont accept what you are telling them isn't entirely true,if you look after these apprentices and young sparks then you can by all rights tell them thats the method you prefer and they are to use it but you can't turn around and tell them there method isnt right as both are, you have been given various manufactured products that adopt black as permanent live and brown switch and also from other posts you should be aware by now that both ways are acceptable and only preference is the key, the only time this should be an issue is when multiple sparkies operate on job or site and a common method needs to be agreed to avoid wasted time.
The decent thing to do here is to tell the young lads tomorrow you stand corrected and admit their methods are not wrong and take it on the chin, its a bit concerning that you get these lads out of college then overrule what they have been taught.

The O/P asked the question because their exists a confliction within his works and by now he will realise both methods are correct and no-one was wrong and yes brown as permanent live might be the general chosen method but thats not my point here.

 

[Darkwood]

Can't cast my poll choice as i adopt both dependant on job (i.e. if using products with already black assigned as live)

 

[Guest123]

Can't cast my poll choice as i adopt both dependant on job (i.e. if using products with already black assigned as live)

Added option, just for you.:sifone:

 

[Sintra]

Well I have always used brown for switched live and black for perm live and won't be changing now.