Poor work - by a 'proper electrcian'

[MBEINST]

That is worse than the job being bodged by a DIYer.

Is there no way of tracing the company/individual responsible and reporting them to their notifying body.

Must be able to get them 'struck off'

'The best friendships are built on a solid foundation of alcohol, sarcasm, laughter and a dislike of the same people.'

 

[Engineer54]

As pointed out in previous threads, there has always been a rough or rouge element within our industry, but you will normally find these guy's to have been trained/apprenticed to let's say, less than good companies and have picked up those rough/rouge ways from early beginnings....

You could say the subject of this and other similar threads content, is all th more reason why the industry needs a National Register of Qualified Electricians, with teeth!! So as to deal with such people that produce below standard and or unsafe work etc, because none of the Scam providers will do anything about it, that's for damned sure!!

 

[overskilled]

MBE - I SERIOUSLY doubt ANYTHING would be done, their members subs are their income so their vested interest is in keeping their membership numbers up and to heck with the reality.

DS- I don't think its quite as cut and dried as that....lot of bad apples in both camps....and its been going on for years...(I think everyone has turned up an installation done years ago that is a hatchet job plain and simple..)
Problem IMHO is that attitudes need to change.....for starters dropping the "you've missed the boat if your older than 16/18" line....I'd rather have someone of 28 or even 35 with their head screwed on as an apprentice than someone who is doing it half heartedly because "daddy got them the job" or who spends their life on their phone etc........
The way I'd do it in Scotland for example would be - strip all the ages off the SECTT results, make it a requirement for employers to take on the highest scoring candidates (With some serious questions asked if they try and wriggle out of it on the basis of age), remove the age related subsidy and provide it to all employers taking on apprentices of any age - sort of similar to the Canadian system but with some tweaks i.e. use local colleges rather than one centralised college (Saskatchewan for example I think uses one college for the whole province)
I also support the licensing system - However I'd also support a way for those wanting to be self employed to get certified, otherwise it risks over time becoming a cartel and a way to corner the market for a select few.
I'd also add categories (domestic, industrial, 3 phase, PV, alarms etc) to the license with expiry dates - meaning that ALL sparks would have to keep themselves up to date and get rid of companies with one spark being 17th edition qualified and a collection others who haven't been tested on their regs knowledge for years. Would also mean that some courses would be easier to get on as colleges would have more stable numbers and less "not enough numbers to run that course, try next year"
....and breathe.......
I'd also like to see

 

[FAA Greenie]

Doesn't matter, they have a duty of care to ensure that the staff they use are capable of doing the work to the standards expected.
Otherwise they are cowboys...
Problem in this industry is that few want to point fingers and admit that there are a LOT of time served corner cutters out there doing the trade a disservice and giving other electricians a bad name and leaving installations in dangerous conditions.
The NICEIC etc allowing "qualified supervisors" is a total joke and yet so many councils etc will let NICEIC members sign off work without oversight and deny that all too often "qualified supervisors" are signing stuff off without even being on site doing the supervision!

One thing I'll always remember from my military days:- "You delegate authority but never responsibility"

 

[Engineer54]

I'd also add categories (domestic, industrial, 3 phase, PV, alarms etc)

Though i agree with most of what you have said above, i'm afraid categorising will as it's doing now be de-skilling the industry which is just about the worst thing you can possibly do any industry or trade.

An Electrician should mean exactly that, without any if or buts!! The biggest problem for mature students is time and money if they have families and a mortgage to support. So if they can't or not prepared to do the time on low wages or salaries, then they should choose another trade or profession. In the real world there is unfortunately no fast track way to becoming a qualified electrician....

 

[overskilled]

I'm thinking more in terms of medicine, where you have a base skill set then specialise in fields of interest. For example an inner city spark may have no need or interest in agricultural electrics.

 

[Engineer54]

I'm thinking more in terms of medicine, where you have a base skill set then specialise in fields of interest. For example an inner city spark may have no need or interest in agricultural electrics.

The industry already has a base skill level, it's currently called C&G 2365 level 3. If you then want to specialise in a field of interest then you go on to take the respective qualifications in that field. It basically doesn't matter what electrical installation field you wish to specialise in, you will still need that ''CORE/BASE'' qualification.

It's all in place now, why would you want it all to change?? The argument that you are putting forward here is exactly what these training centres are trying to do with these so-called DI designations. All it does is de-skill the trade which in turn, diminishes the status of qualified electricians. Everything these days tends to always fall to the lowest denominator!!

 

[i=p/u]

1/4..... Of a spark, as I said install trunking, pull the cables, then someone else connects up, fuk you lol

 

[D Skelton]

Someone is drunk me thinks!

 

[i=p/u]

I've always thought it the little time I've been trying to become a spark...

 

[MBEINST]

i',m on the spice now so if this sounds stupid my apologies

basic qualification to set up on your own should be at least 2391 and X years in the industry.

Self policing is a must. If I ever go out to rectify somebody's work you can be assured that I will be contacting building control if I feel that corners have been cut.

Compared to some of you guys I am relatively new to this TRADE as a sole trader (many years cards in) but I feel that if we can't look after each other and weed out the ****e then there is no hope for us.

 

[i=p/u]

It's like if a taxi driver picks out a non licensed driver, slate the ---- out of them, ring cops.

It's like if a shop is selling cheap smokes, beside shop selling taxed ones., they make the call , but who do we call . Nobody.

No1 cares.

 

[Engineer54]

basic qualification to set up on your own should be at least 2391 and X years in the industry.

Compared to some of you guys I am relatively new to this TRADE as a sole trader (many years cards in) but I feel that if we can't look after each other and weed out the ****e then there is no hope for us.

Nope, the minimum is 2365 level 3 X years. If you then want to add 2394/95 (2391) that's another matter. The core qualification is the key issue, not the add on certificates...

 

[Guitarist]

Though i agree with most of what you have said above, i'm afraid categorising will as it's doing now be de-skilling the industry which is just about the worst thing you can possibly do any industry or trade.

An Electrician should mean exactly that, without any if or buts!! The biggest problem for mature students is time and money if they have families and a mortgage to support. So if they can't or not prepared to do the time on low wages or salaries, then they should choose another trade or profession. In the real world there is unfortunately no fast track way to becoming a qualified electrician....

We see this all the time in here don't we. Guys saying that they will get experience after their 5 week course, then suddenly they've gone it alone and want to know how to test an immersion heater element.

 

[i=p/u]

As e54 says the core qualification and experience .. While gaining it.