Poor work - by a 'proper electrcian'

[telectrix]

not quite, adam. free money for scroungers, alkies and druggies. sod the working man.

 

[MDJ]

youre blaming someone who hasnt been in power for 25 years and is now dead ?

have you any idea how effing ridiculous that sounds ?

i seem to remember the unions pulling the trigger on themselves and that part p was invented by labour.

do you think your own business would be as prosperous as it is now operating under todays free market or alot better under the high tax socialist dogma of the 70's that you think is so great ?

lol , if you want to make it political crack on , i prefer to look where the industries headed rather than how it might be under crackpot state control.

Fluck off Biff :devilish: between 79 and 97 Britain ceased Manufacturing and also sold everything off except the Post office. Cameron has just sold that off, the billions in potential profit that would have gone into the treasury from that now has to come from somewhere and we will end up paying for that loss without doubt. During those 18 years of Tory rule hardly anything was spent on public spending leaving Britain a 3 world nation compaired to other westernized nations. Labour came to power and had to spend to modernize a out of date out of touch britain. The american banking system has caused major problems throughout the Modern world which lead to recession. If you look at the facts now regarding spending this Government has borrowed more than the Brown government which was slated by the Tory press. I was working at schools during the mid nineties and I know one had no heating, the kids had to sit in the hall eating sandwiches in their coats because there was no money due to tory policy. They couldn't even eat hot dinners as they were abandoned and only came back during the last Labour government. Why any working man or Woman would want to vote for a party who only cares about 1% of the population is beyond me, I could go on and on all day about the Tories, But am already tired of you prats on here defending them.

 

[MDJ]

Nope, far easier to blame the Tories for everything. Especially Thatcher. Greedy Tory toffs, doing it for themselves, rich get richer, poor get poorer. And they want to privatise the NHS.
Socialism is the way forward - free money for everyone.



I was being sarcastic by the way.

Um no Adam just facts, they flucking sold everything for fluck sake and we are basically an Island who imports not exports, and given half a chance they will sell the NHS, that will come along as will the end of pensions which are now 68 and 69 in the mid 40s.

 

[Adam W]

not quite, adam. free money for scroungers, alkies and druggies. sod the working man.

Ah yes that's the one - reward the lazy, punish the hardworking, tax the rich, but not the public sector rich because they're doing an important job.

 

[7029 dave]

youre blaming someone who hasnt been in power for 25 years and is now dead ?

have you any idea how effing ridiculous that sounds ?

i seem to remember the unions pulling the trigger on themselves and that part p was invented by labour.

do you think your own business would be as prosperous as it is now operating under todays free market or alot better under the high tax socialist dogma of the 70's that you think is so great ?

lol , if you want to make it political crack on , i prefer to look where the industries headed rather than how it might be under crackpot state control.

Sorry Biff, but do not agree with you. Mrs T has a lot to answer too not just for this industry but every one of them. I lived through them years!!, saw the decline in apprentership , her policy was we don't need tradesman, just bye them in but we will set up a half cocked YTS scheme (youth training programme). that is why most company's did not take trainee's on for a good 20 years. Hence the state we are in now, or maybe I have just gone round with my eye's shut for decades!!.

 

[telectrix]

can't speak for all privatisation, but before BT ( british telecom, as it was called then) was privatised, they were as efficient as fart in a thunderstorm. 1976, my business was almost destroyed by failure of phone line. it took them 6 weeks to fix a cable. on any mnorning mon-fri from 8.00am to 10.00am, line of their vans ( about 10 or 12 ) parked up outside the cafe. now a fault is generally fixed within 24 hours. hmmm.

 

[MDJ]

I remember working for a company that had 40 pair on the books in the mid eighties, 40 apprentices/ Mates and 40 sparks, we worked all over the country, we made panels and switchgear and installed it everywhere. That same company is still going now, they have about 5 sparks and 1 apprentice, they use sub contract labour now and buy the switch panels and boards from China. Thatcherism? huh Flucking Bollox to thatcherism

 

[DPG]

Yep lets bring back Red Robbo, British Leyland, and the unions. 3 day week here we come. I don't want my bins emptying anyway! Daz

 

[telectrix]

but you can't blame thather or any one else in government ( tory or labour) for the fact that the chinese can make stuff just as well, but far cheaper.

 

[MDJ]

Yep lets bring back British Leyland,

Oh god LMAO, what a shower of ****e that was, even I cannot defend that LOL

 

[MDJ]

but you can't blame thather or any one else in government ( tory or labour) for the fact that the chinese can make stuff just as well, but far cheaper.

Nope not going to, I'm far too bored with it all now, time for a beer I think.

 

[7029 dave]

NO my lovely 1971 mini was the nuts, great little car 8 spoke alloys peko box big bore Italian job.

 

[richy3333]

How sure are you that it was the 'time served' electrician that carried out the work? It could have been one of his lackies. There are plenty of companies (owned and run by time served guys) round my way that send their lackies in to carry out substandard work!

He's a Sole Trader, so the buck stops with him.

 

[richy3333]

That is worse than the job being bodged by a DIYer.

Is there no way of tracing the company/individual responsible and reporting them to their notifying body.

Must be able to get them 'struck off'

'The best friendships are built on a solid foundation of alcohol, sarcasm, laughter and a dislike of the same people.'

He's not registered with anyone. So whilst people keep paying he keeps working.

 

[telectrix]

as it's not domestic, why should he be registered with a scam?

 

[KAS1]

Ding dong the witch is dead ..........

 

[MBEINST]

He's not registered with anyone. So whilst people keep paying he keeps working.

Sounds like you know who he is richy.

Regardless of whether he is registered or not, what he has done is unsafe and illegal.

 

[overskilled]

No, Thatcher was to Blame, her plan has backfired. You only need to look at Germany and the way they do business to see we got it wrong with selling everything off, stopping all manufacturing, the creation of sub contract labour through angencies and buying cheap from abroad. Germany makes everything themselves, they employ thousands upon thousands of apprentices and sells everything which inturn creates work around industry like electrical contracting for starters. They stuck with the method we once had before Thatcher, Major and now Cameron oppose. they will not be happy until the working man has no pension no NHS and no Dignity, I am getting Narked now just thinking about the Tory party. Cheers Tel.

I mis read that at first as "I am getting naked now just thinking about the Tory party" </shudder>

 

[richy3333]

With all the arguments against 5WWs this seems to be the only argument 'for' - "the 5WWs might have rushed through their training in a fraction of the time, but there are time served electricians producing substandard work".
Maybe this electrician had no other option than to do it this way. Maybe he had kids to feed and a mortgage to pay.

Nope. Kids are all grown up. Mortgage paid off. More laziness and not giving a ----. Not bothered about updating to 17th Ed etc etc either!

 

[Adam W]

Nope. Kids are all grown up. Mortgage paid off. More laziness and not giving a ----. Not bothered about updating to 17th Ed etc etc either!

Do you feel that having kids to feed and a mortgage to pay is a valid excuse for shoddy workmanship?

 

[SPARTYKUS]

Do you feel that having kids to feed and a mortgage to pay is a valid excuse for shoddy workmanship?

I know richy3333 very well so I hope he doesn't mind me jumping in, Adam, I can asssure you he does not.

 

[telectrix]

there is no excuse for shoddy work ( unless , of course, you are a plumber ).

 

[Badged01]

there is no excuse for shoddy work

Unless its for the mother-in-law and you aint getting paid!

 

[richy3333]

Do you feel that having kids to feed and a mortgage to pay is a valid excuse for shoddy workmanship?

WOT?? Are you on crack or similar? Read my post(s) in context as I was merely answering an earlier comment about this guys background.

And I thought it was only ex-wifes that took things out of context?!

 

[Adam W]

WOT?? Are you on crack or similar? Read my post(s) in context as I was merely answering an earlier comment about this guys background.

And I thought it was only ex-wifes that took things out of context?!

No. Try reading some of the threads from people wanting to retrain - most go along the lines of "taking a trainee's wage or going to college full time is not an option because I've got a wife and kids to feed and a mortgage to pay" as if that's a valid reason for taking shortcuts with training.
Well would you do that in the real world of work? I don't think customers would accept paying a higher price based around the electrician's private life, or to find out later that he'd taken shortcuts with his work because he wasn't prepared to put himself out (ie "no other option").

Sometimes the difficult way is the only way - if the cables are going under the floor the carpet will have to come up and the floorboards lifted, the walls will have to be chased to get the cables in, and nobody is going to pay electrician's wages to trainees based on the number of children they've chosen to have.