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[Craighrvy]

Hi all

I'm making steps to get back on the road after being made redundant. Cheers Covid 19
I've priced a job up and the guy says I'm far too expensive.
I've done a fair bit of research so I'm fairly certain I'm at least competitive, just wondered how much people would charge as I've been out of the game for 10 years

Kitchen rewire
New ring circuit
7 double sockets
3 fused spur drops for appliances
2 x cooker circuits
12 downlighters
1 lighting point and switch for wall light
Disconnect old ring and make safe with junction boxes
Add 2 x new mbcs to existing consumer unit

Fair amount of chasing to be done

All works to be inspected, tested and part p notified which I'm going to have to pay a sparks for.

Thanks in advance for the replys

 

[Craighrvy]

LABC want an easy life, and I don’t blame them. If a registered spark does a job and it’s notified through their scheme then LABC makes zero effort. They don’t even know the work is taking place until they get the (electronic) notification from NAPIT, NICEIC, etc. Unless it’s a large building project with other LABC involvement.

If you raise a building notice they will charge a lump as they have now a large paperwork issue. They can/may/are obliged to visit the site to track and monitor progress and are involved in the final test and sign off by a properly authorised and competent person.
That’s why they make it £300ish.

As Midwest said, joining a CPS is your must do route if domestic sparking is your ambition. You haven’t said what quals, if any, that you have. You can use jobs, like this, as your assessment piece.

I am joining NICEIC, but I need to present some work to them which needs to be notified.
I have NVQ Level 3 and all the various elements to achieve that. C & G 2391 inspection and testing, 18th Edition exam booked in for next month as I'm currently on 17th. I even have C Course, which I wish I never wasted two years of my life doing because no-one seems to recognise that qualification these days. Been out of the trade on paye for some time and haven't need to keep my qualifications up to date, until now

 

[Taylortwocities]

Someone else on here can advise you on how to handle notifications for work done while you are joining a CPS.

There was a discussion about CPS on here recently, I can’t find the thread at the moment, but someone did post this Trustpilot survey as a general comment on NICEIC.

NICEIC is rated "Excellent" with 4.3 / 5 on Trustpilot

Do you agree with NICEIC's TrustScore? Voice your opinion today and hear what 197 customers have already said.

uk.trustpilot.com

Note that other schemes are also available.

EDIT. There is a lot of specific information and advice on this forum here

Certification NICEIC, NAPIT, Stroma, BECSA Forum | Pro & DIY - | - Electrical Advice > ElectriciansForums.net

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[Craighrvy]

Someone else on here can advise you on how to handle notifications for work done while you are joining a CPS.

There was a discussion about CPS on here recently, I can’t find the thread at the moment, but someone did post this Trustpilot survey as a general comment on NICEIC.

NICEIC is rated "Excellent" with 4.3 / 5 on Trustpilot

Do you agree with NICEIC's TrustScore? Voice your opinion today and hear what 197 customers have already said.

uk.trustpilot.com

Note that other schemes are also available.

EDIT. There is a lot of specific information and advice on this forum here

Certification NICEIC, NAPIT, Stroma, BECSA Forum | Pro & DIY - | - Electrical Advice > ElectriciansForums.net

Find Certification NICEIC, NAPIT, Stroma, BECSA Forum Questions Help and Advice. ElectriciansForums.net Est.2006 | Free Electrical Advice Forum Questions Help and Advice on Electricians Forums - Unbiased Electrical Advice Forum. ElectricansForums.net

www.electriciansforums.net

Eek , thats not very good reading.

These bodies do seem to be on a license to print money , for what seems very little , but what choice do sparkys have if they want to work legitimately. This was one of the factors of me closing my business previously.

I was also looking at Elecsa , but they seem to just be a sister company of NICEIC , even the enquiry phone number puts you through to the same line.

I was previously with NAPIT , but I have phoned them twice and no one has bothered to return my initial enquiry calls. I gave up after 3 attempts. My thought were if this is how they operate , what chance do I have of them offering assistance if I need it in the future

 

[Midwest]

I was with Elecsa, did only domestic work. Apart from the subject of the fee, they were quite good in terms of technical assistance and response to other queries.

Guess COVID issue might have something to do with lack of response currently.

 

[Andy78]

Just ignore the customer. Nothing wrong with your price apart from being too cheap.
I'd be about £1600 for the work detailed.

 

[Dustydazzler]

£1500 all in

 

[bigspark17]

£1350+vat. @ £50p/point. I wouldnt put fused spurs for appliances just socket in adjacent cupboards, id also be wiring a heat alarm in 3core back to the cu.

 

[Midwest]

A DP switch above the worktop, might be useful to some clients. Agree with the socket in an adjacent cupboard. Its devils work putting them behind the appliance.

 

[Dustydazzler]

A DP switch above the worktop, might be useful to some clients. Agree with the socket in an adjacent cupboard. Its devils work putting them behind the appliance.

most cookers / hobs generally have a connection behind the appliance...

 

[pc1966]

Having an accessible isolation switch for kitchen white goods is in the Scottish building regs and really ought to be in them for England & Wales as well. So probably DP switch above the counter and unswitched 13A socket behind the appliance, etc.

 

[richy3333]

@pc1966 Where we lead in Scotlan, England the follows ?

 

[nicebutdim]

Having an accessible isolation switch for kitchen white goods is in the Scottish building regs and really ought to be in them for England & Wales as well. So probably DP switch above the counter and unswitched 13A socket behind the appliance, etc.

I'd be curious to know if this is also a requirement in NI as I've never seen a socket fitted inside a cupboard.

 

[Dartlec]

I quoted £1250 all in, based in the South East

I've approached building control and they want huge sums of money

For a consumer unit £350, they have nothing set up and just sub it out themselves

I am joining NICEIC, but I need to present some work to them which needs to be notified.
I have NVQ Level 3 and all the various elements to achieve that. C & G 2391 inspection and testing, 18th Edition exam booked in for next month as I'm currently on 17th. I even have C Course, which I wish I never wasted two years of my life doing because no-one seems to recognise that qualification these days. Been out of the trade on paye for some time and haven't need to keep my qualifications up to date, until now

Seems like I got lucky, or maybe things have changed - When I joined Part P was still new - and they carried out my initial inspection on a consumer unit change at my father's house, then I notified it once I'd passed!

Don't suppose there is any other building Regs notification on this job (eg for extension or a beam going in)? If I remember correctly it used to be that if you paid their building regs fee for any work then in theory that should also cover the cost of them certifying electrical work, though in practise they often refused and there wasn't much you could do about it to force them.

That may be out of date, as it was a long time ago that I saw it come up.

For what it's worth, that price sounds perfectly reasonable for the South East - i doubt he'd find anyone cheaper who would actually notify it. That many downlights alone could cause no end of trouble if the ceilings not down and joists are all over the place as is often the case....

 

[Taylortwocities]

If I remember correctly it used to be that if you paid their building regs fee for any work then in theory that should also cover the cost of them certifying electrical work, though in practise they often refused and there wasn't much you could do about it to force them.

Think that is still the way, but it’s still expected for the installing electrician to be competent and capable of testing and certifying the whole to BS7671. They really, really want Building Regs compliance (notifications) to be done electronically through a scam.
I’ve not met a council-employed electrician for a
l o n g
Time who certifies a ‘DIY’ installation.

 

[Dartlec]

Think that is still the way, but it’s still expected for the installing electrician to be competent and capable of testing and certifying the whole to BS7671. They really, really want Building Regs compliance (notifications) to be done electronically through a scam.
I’ve not met a council-employed electrician for a
l o n g
Time who certifies a ‘DIY’ installation.

If I recall correctly there was a memo from the relevant department confirming that BC should cover the testing of electrical installation at their own cost - but I think it was so long ago it was a Labour Government!

They do love that word "competent" though, even when it's so poorly defined overall...
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Eek , thats not very good reading.

These bodies do seem to be on a license to print money , for what seems very little , but what choice do sparkys have if they want to work legitimately. This was one of the factors of me closing my business previously.

I was also looking at Elecsa , but they seem to just be a sister company of NICEIC , even the enquiry phone number puts you through to the same line.

I was previously with NAPIT , but I have phoned them twice and no one has bothered to return my initial enquiry calls. I gave up after 3 attempts. My thought were if this is how they operate , what chance do I have of them offering assistance if I need it in the future

South East here too, and have to say that the guy they usually send to do my assessment has been very good - very experienced, knowledgeable, but happy to have a discussion if you know what you're talking about and definitely on the supportive side and not looking to catch you out.

He is not employed by them directly though and might do all the schemes for all I know.

Not that I've got anything else from the NICEIC over the years apart from bills, but their website usually works and it's the one people have heard of, so not seen any reason to change.

Last time I checked, the prices for most of the schemes were all so similar that it was obvious they'd all decided what the market rate was, rather than work it out based on their costs! <cynic mode>