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Hi guys I recently posted a message on here regarding a problem I have. Basically i fitted a new kitchen for them and new electrical circuits. RCD board and all. I noticed that the gas and water had no earth connection on them so told the lady and she didnt want me to do it as i would charge her because it wasnt part of my estimate. Also when i put in the new ringmain 2 sockets on the downstairs stopped working. The house needs a rewire as the wiring is in a right mess as are the old fuse boards and this problem would have been sorted out then. She was refusing to pay me for some other extra work that i did so i didnt give her a certificate until she sorted it out. She has now got in touch with the NICEIC who im registered with and they have sent me a letter about it. they want a response by 11th Feb. What do you people think about this?

:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Regards
Paul
 
If you changed the C.U. without doing the required assement i.e. bonding etc your on a sticky wicket
No bonding - No C.U.
Check it out on NIC website dowmload section
I still think your on a very sticky wicket
 
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To be fair the bonding requirements should have been included in your original estimate. Its a code 1 so alarm bells should have rung for you. Its a question of customer/contractor communication breakdown. To be fair its you who has the obligation to supply certification and although frustrating holding back on the certs as a form of blackmail until your paid was not a wise move. You need to think your position through carefully.And try to put your case in a fair way. I wish I could be more helpfull and you have my sympathy for what its worth. Good luck.
 
Did you find the fault on the two sockets,
Did you recommend PIR

Providing the work you carried out was only on the new ring and that was up to scratch offer them the installion for inspection
but if you install aew C.U.even if it was just for the kitchen bonding requirements still apply
 
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You should of inspected and tested that property first if you where in any doubt about the installation, and informed and quoted the customer accordingly then you wouldnt have been in this mess, i really hope you learn a lesson from this
 
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You cannot with hold a certificate, even if you havent been paid.

Unfortunately these cant be used as leverage when chasing for money.

Jason is spot on, as said its never a good idea to hold back on certs. I would get them off to the customer asap. You really need to consider how the niceic are going to view your actions. Try to be proffessional in your responce, and remember there's two sides to every story.

Bit harsh calv, This is an example of where part P can take you. The question should be, are you a kitchen fitter with NICEIC membership or an electrician with NICEIC membership. The can of worms has been well and truly opened.:(
 
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that is harsh, if im interpreting right he was to rewire the rest of house after completion of extension and payment? that said it is paramount that these things are checked at quotation stage. this forum is for advice not slandering other peoples mistakes and i think a lesson has already been learnt.
 
Not great, but all you are guilty of is failing to carry initial verifation and tests & then energising your new board before the instalation was complete, ie no bonding. (although this is very serious)

Jason is right in what he says about about holding back certificates for payment but at the moment the installation is not complete as you have not installed main bonding, so you can't issue a certificate.

I think you should go back, isolate your new board & say you can't liven it up untill main bonding is installed, then you can issue a certifcate.

Calv68 is very harsh but it would seem you are not yet quite competent enough to carry out this sort of work,
 
Everyone makes mistakes. I myself have made some corkers, just yesterday infact but i wont go into that. It maybe a pain but could you not just go and do the bonding? I dont know the details of the job but surly a few meters of green n yellow and a few hours labour (even one full day) is worth not getting into trouble with the NIC?
At least you wont hopefully do it again. Plus once you have done it you can sign it off and collect your money.
As for the two sockets I dont know if it is your fault then you should fix them if not its chargeable.
 
Hi I agree with the previous post.
Sure anybody can make a mistake.
In this case you really should have checked bonding before proceeding. I am sure you know this.

The customer probably feels completely justified in withholding payment because s/he is probably assuming that you left the place worse than when you found it (whether the faulty sockets are actually your fault or not).

Given that you you accept this, the easiest way out for both of you is to offer to upgrade the bonding at no extra charge (IMHO).

If I were NICEIC, I would look first at whether or not you made any mistake to begin with (I think you have already lost on this one).
I would then look at how you responded when the defect came to light.

Dont allow this to develop to the point that you are wrong on both counts.

I think if you do the bonding at no charge you may even have a chance of persuading the customer to have a full PIR - which sounds needed.

And finally, don't take some of the harsher comments too much to heart - they just reflect a healthy pride in our profession - which I am sure you share:).

Hope this works out ok.
CH
 

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