PUB GARDEN ELECTROCUTION TRIAL

[marconi]

romford recorder pub electrician - بحث Google - https://www.google.com/search?q=romford+recorder+pub+electrician&rlz=1C1GCEA_enGB822GB822&oq=romford+recorder+pub+electrician&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i22i30j69i64.8373j0j15&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

Pub owner 'drilled through cables' weeks before child electrocuted - https://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/news/crime/pub-owner-drilled-through-cables-court-told-7071842

Many folk on the EF will know about the death of a young boy at a pub in Essex because he was electrocuted while playing in the pub's garden. It is front page news at the moment in our local rag.

The first link above takes you to a number of daily reports on the trial of the defendants.

The second is something many of you may not be aware of bearing in mind there are two defendants in the trial.

I am saying no more other than 'food for thought' and may the poor lad RIP Amen.

 

[Julie.]

Still available on skyQ catch up section. Downloading it now. I’m sure it will still be on iPlayer as well.

It is on iplayer, I watched it earlier today.

80% is emotional about the loss (justifiably so), there is actually very little about the actual fault/cause - although the photos of the installation are pretty bad.

 

[Midwest]

Yes, when I said I would be interested in watching it, that wasn't trivialising the great loss for the family. Tragic loss.

 

[marconi]

Pub owner jailed over boy's electrocution death 28 May 2021 - Article from Forbes Solicitors - https://www.forbessolicitors.co.uk/news/47618/pub-owner-jailed-over-boys-electrocution-death

 

[mainline]

David slavery did a bit on this a while ago.

 

[Intoelectrics]

This is why cowboys should be routed out and prosecuted more often!!!

 

[benhurr]

was it 9 years prison for pub owner and only 1y to electrician ? or have I missed something? shouldn't it be the other way around? unless the pub owner deliberately insisted not to wire correctly to save money?

 

[snowhead]

The pub owner was ultimately responsible for the property and it's condition and could have done more over the years he owned it to ensure it was safe.

 

[marconi]

was it 9 years prison for pub owner and only 1y to electrician ? or have I missed something? shouldn't it be the other way around? unless the pub owner deliberately insisted not to wire correctly to save money?

Sentences as you state. The more culpable in law was the duty holder who was the landlord and owner. He failed to discharge his duties as required by shef law even though he knew what was required. The last link I sent says more.

 

[Julie.]

was it 9 years prison for pub owner and only 1y to electrician ? or have I missed something? shouldn't it be the other way around? unless the pub owner deliberately insisted not to wire correctly to save money?

In detail, the electrician run cables and so on but stated it was not ready for final connection.

The pub landlord decided to make the connections himself.

Plus as said above, the landlord was the duty holder.

The details are quite involved, but it is my understanding that the electrician did limited work, but the landlord had either done most of the work himself, or by others resulting in the overall mess you see in the photos.

The electrician was held accountable for 'not highlighting the overall situation ' rather than for his direct work (which is arguably correct as if we believe he only did first fix , he can't be at fault for further work done after leaving site).

The landlord admitted that he made the Connections I believe.

 

[timhoward]

The electrician was held accountable for 'not highlighting the overall situation '

...presumably to the local authority environmental health dept, as HSE don't get involved with pubs.

Is HSE the correct enforcing authority for you?

Authority - the type of workplaces HSE is responsible for and those where Local Authorities have responsibility.

www.hse.gov.uk

 

[Julie.]

...presumably to the local authority environmental health dept, as HSE don't get involved with pubs.

Is HSE the correct enforcing authority for you?

Authority - the type of workplaces HSE is responsible for and those where Local Authorities have responsibility.

www.hse.gov.uk

Don't know, I think it was more the view that a qualified electrician, having seen the dangerous state of the electrical system, basically just ignored it.

Perhaps had he given written notice to the landlord then that would probably been sufficient.

Notifying the duty holder should be enough I would have thought.

 

[benhurr]

In detail, the electrician run cables and so on but stated it was not ready for final connection.

The pub landlord decided to make the connections himself.

Plus as said above, the landlord was the duty holder.

The details are quite involved, but it is my understanding that the electrician did limited work, but the landlord had either done most of the work himself, or by others resulting in the overall mess you see in the photos.

The electrician was held accountable for 'not highlighting the overall situation ' rather than for his direct work (which is arguably correct as if we believe he only did first fix , he can't be at fault for further work done after leaving site).

The landlord admitted that he made the Connections I believe.

I see now, thanks. There were no details on the tv show regarding responsibilities distribution, hence the puzzling

 

[Julie.]

I see now, thanks. There were no details on the tv show regarding responsibilities distribution, hence the puzzling

They is a guy called David Savery on you tube, he did a bit of an analysis in the early days which may give a bit more details - as long as you don't mind offensive language here is a link:

 

[Lister1987]

They is a guy called David Savery on you tube, he did a bit of an analysis in the early days which may give a bit more details - as long as you don't mind offensive language here is a link:

He's on here I believe; @dseselectric, always enjoy his videos and found this one very well presented

 

[littlespark]

same video was linked on #34, Julie.

it seems this sort of thing happens all over the place. EICR's bring up the same problems year after year and nothing gets done.
Not always the electricians fault.... but also not always the customers fault if they believe the person they employed was competent