Quoting for works - How do I challenge NIC/EIC stipulated on requirements

[Lazlo]

I'm NAPIT registered FULL SCOPE which states -
and is therefore approved to undertake the design, construction, maintenance, verification and/or inspection and testing of electrical installations up to 1 kV within the work


SCOPE OF APPROVAL


Work Category Date of Approval Date of Expiry


Electrical installation work in dwellings (A1.1) 26.02.2014 08.12.2015


Electrical installation work in all buildings other than


dwellings and other industrial locations (A1.2)


26.02.2014 08.12.2015

I'm bidding for works that stipulate 'must only be carried out by a fully certified electrical contractor part of the NIC/EIC scheme in accordance with Building Regulation 2004 Part P'

How can that be legal in a tender pack? How do I go about challenging it????

 

[7029 dave]

been around since 1956, they still hold big weight to this day, but It meant something days gone by.

 

[andyb]

Bad advice IMO. What a get out clause that would be for not paying when they find out he isn't an NIC approved contractor.

Never happened to me Lee in 30 years.

 

[Guest77]

I agree with what you said,
just made me giggle, that's all.

Napit have their work cut out. The 'Must be Niceic registered' line in is just copied and pasted on every new tender without thought or understanding.

Whether it's right or wrong, Nic are more highly thought of than Napit by the people who matter.

Yes I hear you, we all feel similar, unfortunately as we have all mentioned many times before though, unless Napit and Stroma and Elecsa etc etc etc start to promote themselves the NICEIC will still hold the trump card.

 

[Leesparkykent]

Yep agree with you buddy, your right, and it will upset some but the NICEIC is considered a decent organisiation, we know otherwise but unless your on their list, ouside the domestic sector any company not in them who work on projects funded by the public won't get a look in.

we know that and many other sparks do as well, but unfortunately most pen pushers who are handing out the higher end jobs still regard the NICEIC as the best thing since sliced bread. For me it wouldn't make sense to be with another scam.

 

[Guest77]

LEE, stop it lol, your making too much sence tonight hehe

 

[markythesparky]

It's all about advertising and let's face it, the NICEIC has had somewhere in the region of 60 years worth.
As I have said before,the architects, local authorities etc etc are either ignorant or misinformed and the smaller schemes need to get their names about more and inform these organisations that it is not just NIC sparks that can do the work!
I really don't believe the NIC are any better than any of the others, and I really don't believe that you guys do either. I truly believe that the others just aren't advertising properly and the opinions on here that, 'you need to go with the NICEIC over all the others' will cause the continued over charging and monopoly-esq business model that the NICEIC currently employ.

 

[andyb]

They're not better Mark, they are perceived as being better. But they are perceived as being better by those who dish out contracts.

 

[Guest77]

It's all about advertising and let's face it, the NICEIC has had somewhere in the region of 60 years worth.
As I have said before,the architects, local authorities etc etc are either ignorant or misinformed and the smaller schemes need to get their names about more and inform these organisations that it is not just NIC sparks that can do the work!
I really don't believe the NIC are any better than any of the others, and I really don't believe that you guys do either. I truly believe that the others just aren't advertising properly and the opinions on here that, 'you need to go with the NICEIC over all the others' will cause the continued over charging and monopoly-esq business model that the NICEIC currently employ.

I understand where your coming from fella, and generally agree within reason, but please name another scheme which is outside of the Domestic sector and has what the NICEIC has regarding inspections etc etc? Napit I believe are getting there, Elecsa has tried to join the NICEIC scheme, I know of no others, can you put a list up and some links so we can have a read up on them, I am talking about outside the Domestic sector of course, cheers.

 

[markythesparky]

Exactly! Through ignorance or misinformation.

 

[Andy78]

I understand where your coming from fella, and generally agree within reason, but please name another scheme which is outside of the Domestic sector and has what the NICEIC has regarding inspections etc etc? Napit I believe are getting there, Elecsa has tried to join the NICEIC scheme, I know of no others, can you put a list up and some links so we can have a read up on them, I am talking about outside the Domestic sector of course, cheers.

Do the ECA not offer a similar scheme to the NICEIC approved scheme ?

 

[markythesparky]

It's all about advertising and let's face it, the NICEIC has had somewhere in the region of 60 years worth.
As I have said before,the architects, local authorities etc etc are either ignorant or misinformed and the smaller schemes need to get their names about more and inform these organisations that it is not just NIC sparks that can do the work!
I really don't believe the NIC are any better than any of the others, and I really don't believe that you guys do either. I truly believe that the others just aren't advertising properly and the opinions on here that, 'you need to go with the NICEIC over all the others' will cause the continued over charging and monopoly-esq business model that the NICEIC currently employ.

I understand where your coming from fella, and generally agree within reason, but please name another scheme which is outside of the Domestic sector and has what the NICEIC has regarding inspections etc etc? Napit I believe are getting there, Elecsa has tried to join the NICEIC scheme, I know of no others, can you put a list up and some links so we can have a read up on them, I am talking about outside the Domestic sector of course, cheers.

No I can't but you are missing my point.

It's because the others aren't advertising properly. At the risk of repeating myself, the NICEIC has had 60 odd years head start.

The attitude you have will not help any of us as the NIC will only get worse. A monopoly is not a good thing.

 

[Guest77]

Do the ECA not offer a similar scheme to the NICEIC approved scheme ?

they have joined the NICEIC mate, they work together now and have created the safe register.

 

[Guest77]

No I can't but you are missing my point.

It's because the others aren't advertising properly. At the risk of repeating myself, the NICEIC has had 60 odd years head start.

The attitude you have will it help any of us as the NIC will only get worse. A monopoly is not a good thing.

Are you drinking tonight/ I am aware you have an issue with me due to your comments of late, I have no loyalty to the NICEIC at all, I am just pointing out the obvious, they have an approved contractor scheme, the others do not, I am only pointing out the obvious, please don't repeat yourself anymore, I cannot take any more bull **** tonight lol

 

[Guest77]

No I can't but you are missing my point.

It's because the others aren't advertising properly. At the risk of repeating myself, the NICEIC has had 60 odd years head start.

The attitude you have will not help any of us as the NIC will only get worse. A monopoly is not a good thing.

Quite right, I have been hoping the others would start up a decent alternative and promote it, as of yet a no go though, Napit have tried and have got close, they have a few issues regarding a guarantee of yearly inspections, if they can get passed that at last the industry will have an alternative, something we all want.

 

[markythesparky]

Do the ECA not offer a similar scheme to the NICEIC approved scheme ?

they have joined the NICEIC mate, they work together now and have created the safe register.

Yes another bug bear of mine:

It was the electric safe register and the electrical safety register then the competent persons register.

The charity that the NIC profits fund was the Electrical Safety Register but is now called Electrical Safety First!

How many of you know that? More to the point. How many consumers do?


Just goes to show that the whole situation is in utter mayhem and no one has a clue what to do next!