R U Part P registered?

[Richard Andrews]

MyHammer, Rated People, My Builder...All are sources of work, but those without Part P credentials, etc., are doing YOU out of your membership fees by undertaking Part P works.
I have been through MyHammer for jobs within 200 miles... Many jobs require Part P credentials, but those bidding would seem to have "unchecked" C&G qualifications. What's C&G's to do with Part P compliance? Others state they have undertaken a 5 day EAL Part P course, but do not mention Part P registration with any of the bodies concerned...
Today I have emailed MyHammer (who sponsors Channel 5's "Cowboy Builders" and have informed them they are providing an avenue of work for cowboys. I also sent the email to Channel 5 and Rated People.
I am one man - together we are many! If you see an ad where potentially unregistered person(s) are responding would you take just a few minutes to inform the site (MyHammer/My Builder, etc) and protect our livelihood against those who choose to break the law.
Together, we can make a lot of noise and somebody will eventually listen!
I have informed MyHammer it's simple to check my credentials - simply phone NICEIC.
Get it together and do YOUR bit for compliance! Do your bit to safeguard YOUR income! Do YOUR bit or SUFFER the consequences..............

Richard of Andrews & Co

 

[bugsy]

We're registered with My Hammer and Free Index in both cases our registration details we're checked with NIC-EIC and C-Bus automated systems

 

[acat]

Nice post and I agree now is the time to start making noises so how about we all strart writing letters to our MP keep a copy and any reply as soon as something happens in your area send copies of both letters to the press.


Chris

 

[Voltimax]

Funny I put a bogus job on a similar site. Some of the people that responded have no credentials either.

 

[Risteard]

Don't know anything about MyHammer, nor do I live in England or Wales.

However, I am aware that there is no legal obligation to be registered with any club.

Part P simply requires compliance with BS7671. It is not illegal to engage in domestic electrical installation work without being a member of a club.

 

[Mark.W]

Don't know anything about MyHammer, nor do I live in England or Wales.

However, I am aware that there is no legal obligation to be registered with any club.

Part P simply requires compliance with BS7671. It is not illegal to engage in domestic electrical installation work without being a member of a club.

True but if you're not registered with a body such as NICEIC and you do notifyable work then you will have to inform BC. Best to get registered IMO !

 

[ringer]

What about those of us who need to get experience before we will be considered for registration? How are we supposed to gain that experience if it becomes a closed shop? I understand that doing it this way costs because the BC have to be involved if we are not registered, but I just don't see any other way of becoming 'competent' in the current economic climate.

 

[Risteard]

Best to get registered IMO !

Perhaps, but not for me! As I said, I live in neither England nor Wales.

 

[Mark.W]

What about those of us who need to get experience before we will be considered for registration? How are we supposed to gain that experience if it becomes a closed shop? I understand that doing it this way costs because the BC have to be involved if we are not registered, but I just don't see any other way of becoming 'competent' in the current economic climate.

IMO if you aren't competent then should you really be doing the work? even though you inform building control. I know it's tough!

 

[johnboy6083]

if you are a qualified electrician, and can prove so along with 17th edition and 2391, then why should we have to be members of these part P schemes? i do think that there should be spot checks on any electrical work, and that it should be against the law to carry out electrical work unless you are qualified. Its the same with gas, and it should be with electricity. im sure that there are many of you who disagree,but this is my opinion.

 

[Mark.W]

if you are a qualified electrician, and can prove so along with 17th edition and 2391, then why should we have to be members of these part P schemes? i do think that there should be spot checks on any electrical work, and that it should be against the law to carry out electrical work unless you are qualified. Its the same with gas, and it should be with electricity. im sure that there are many of you who disagree,but this is my opinion.

Part P was initially brought in to try and stop all the cowboys and to show that the person doing the electrical work is actually competent (*What a joke*). I dont agree with only spot checks because you could have a ropey "electrician" (note the quotes) go undetected. If you're competent then you should have no problem getting registered!

 

[Voltimax]

What about those of us who need to get experience before we will be considered for registration? How are we supposed to gain that experience if it becomes a closed shop? I understand that doing it this way costs because the BC have to be involved if we are not registered, but I just don't see any other way of becoming 'competent' in the current economic climate.

This is a subject that I have voiced alot over at the NAPIT forums.
My answer is simple, but not intended to offend you though you may very well be offended.
If you don't have experience, then you should be working for a company gaining that experience under the watchful eyes of qualified and experienced electricians. Under no circumstances should someone be able to learn the trade on their own and unsupervised in someones home.
Like I said, I'm not intending to offend anyone with these comments, but they're my beliefs. I served an apprenticeship when I left school and learned the trade from very experienced electricians.
How would you feel if someone couldn't afford the training to be a surgeon, but just decided they'd learn through experimentation and guide books?

 

[Richard Andrews]

Part P was initially brought in to try and stop all the cowboys and to show that the person doing the electrical work is actually competent (*What a joke*). I dont agree with only spot checks because you could have a ropey "electrician" (note the quotes) go undetected. If you're competent then you should have no problem getting registered!

After Part P was introduced I was asked to "Quality Audit" a number of properties....

Part P does not do enough to protect the domestic consumer from COWBOYS!!!!


To Whom It May Concern:

Dear Sir/Madam,

I have known Mr Richard Andrews, in my role as Project Manager for Communities Reunited. A local Charity established to support and help flood victims following the Carlisle Floods in 2005.

During the following three years whilst many people struggled to get their homes repaired following the floods, I needed a reliable and trustworthy Electrician to identify and report on contractor’s failure to comply with current wiring regulations and standards. This report formed the basis of resolving many insurance claims.

Mr Andrews fulfilled this role perfectly showing care and attention to detail, whilst at the same time empathising with the plight of the flood victims. His workmanship was outstanding, and many times he went more than the extra mile to resolve and identify electrical faults.

I have no hesitation in recommending his service, and the quality of his workmanship.


Regards


Paul Hendy

The National Flood Forum
Flood Recovery Advisor / Consultant

 

[Des 56]

I have to be honest and say that as much as I would benefit by enforcement of part p
To deem anyone who is not registered as being a cowboy is way out of line

I am registered for what it isn't worth
My mates are not and never have been registered
Far from being cowboys they are excellent electricans and are very legal with respect to insurances etc
They dont believe in having to pay to do what you were trained to do

There are many many many competent electricans who dont work self employed in the domestic arena

Their qualifications and competence probably far exceeds many who have been registered in dubious circumstances, with no or little regard to competence,yet these electricians have to sit back and be told they need assessment and registration to do what is basic for them

Registration does not equal competence
Neither is it a requirement to be registered

It is not right to infer that non registration is somehow related to competence
Being registered does not give the customer any benefits that they dont otherwise have

 

[ringer]

Voltimax, I am not offended. We all have our own opinions and everyone is entitled to express theirs
If there was the opportunity to work with/for someone else then I would gladly take that path, even if it meant low pay for a while. For nearly a year now I have been out of paid employment. During that time I have been doing voluntary work, which I love doing, but it doesn't pay any bills (in fact, it costs me to do it). I feel that I cannot keep doing this forever - life must go on - so I need once again to become gainfully employed. My old industry (manufacturing) seems to be no longer viable and I have decided that I want instead to become an electrician (domestic installer). I am not afraid of hard work, or taking a backwards step careerwise, but the realities of this recession means there are NO opportunities for someone my age to easily do this. I have no intention of being a cowboy - I have always produced quality work that I take a pride in, and have followed standards,rules and regulations all of my working life - just not BS7671 until now. I feel that I am more than capable of learning to apply this (BS7671) standard to my work so that it is robust and safe- it just might take me twice as long as you to do it.
If I don't try and do something, then no-one else is going to do it for me! I just want to move forwards as best I can.