R U Part P registered?

[Richard Andrews]

MyHammer, Rated People, My Builder...All are sources of work, but those without Part P credentials, etc., are doing YOU out of your membership fees by undertaking Part P works.
I have been through MyHammer for jobs within 200 miles... Many jobs require Part P credentials, but those bidding would seem to have "unchecked" C&G qualifications. What's C&G's to do with Part P compliance? Others state they have undertaken a 5 day EAL Part P course, but do not mention Part P registration with any of the bodies concerned...
Today I have emailed MyHammer (who sponsors Channel 5's "Cowboy Builders" and have informed them they are providing an avenue of work for cowboys. I also sent the email to Channel 5 and Rated People.
I am one man - together we are many! If you see an ad where potentially unregistered person(s) are responding would you take just a few minutes to inform the site (MyHammer/My Builder, etc) and protect our livelihood against those who choose to break the law.
Together, we can make a lot of noise and somebody will eventually listen!
I have informed MyHammer it's simple to check my credentials - simply phone NICEIC.
Get it together and do YOUR bit for compliance! Do your bit to safeguard YOUR income! Do YOUR bit or SUFFER the consequences..............

Richard of Andrews & Co

 

[Richard Andrews]

Don't know anything about MyHammer, nor do I live in England or Wales.

However, I am aware that there is no legal obligation to be registered with any club.

Part P simply requires compliance with BS7671. It is not illegal to engage in domestic electrical installation work without being a member of a club.

Part P is under Building Regs legislation...

 

[Richard Andrews]

Don't know anything about MyHammer, nor do I live in England or Wales.

However, I am aware that there is no legal obligation to be registered with any club.

Part P simply requires compliance with BS7671. It is not illegal to engage in domestic electrical installation work without being a member of a club.

Compliance with BS7671 means verifying the work - how many DIY-ers have calibrated test instruments?

 

[Richard Andrews]

I have to be honest and say that as much as I would benefit by enforcement of part p
To deem anyone who is not registered as being a cowboy is way out of line

I am registered for what it isn't worth
My mates are not and never have been registered
Far from being cowboys they are excellent electricans and are very legal with respect to insurances etc
They dont believe in having to pay to do what you were trained to do

There are many many many competent electricans who dont work self employed in the domestic arena

Their qualifications and competence probably far exceeds many who have been registered in dubious circumstances, with no or little regard to competence,yet these electricians have to sit back and be told they need assessment and registration to do what is basic for them

Registration does not equal competence
Neither is it a requirement to be registered



It is not right to infer that non registration is somehow related to competence
Being registered does not give the customer any benefits that they dont otherwise have

Your right! But if i drove a car without a driving license then my insurance is void... Insurance companies would crucify any spark not adherring to the law and their trading insurances wouldn't be worth the paper they're written on....

Think about it....

 

[fwx]

Any customer who finds trades through My Hammer deserves what they get. Employing only the cheapest tradesman, using the cheapest materials is never going to produce the best results.
I prefer to be referred by recommendation and quote reasonably to do a quality job.

 

[UNG]

Part P was initially brought in to try and stop all the cowboys and to show that the person doing the electrical work is actually competent (*What a joke*).

Part P was a knee jerk reaction to a politicians daughter getting killed by a shock from a stainless steel shelf that had become live in her new kitchen, how many actually read the original draft it was crazy.

The government scored on a number of things with HMRC having a reference source to ensure tax is being paid by the legitimate not the cowboys while trying to ensure consumers safety

Part P does not do enough to protect the domestic consumer from COWBOYS!!!!

It's nothing to do with Part P protecting the consumer the domestic consumer dosen't do enough to protect themselves from unscrupulous traders. We have all seen how this lot prey on the elderly and infirm. There are a lot of people who are using the 17th edition as a licence to print money because a customers CU has not got the full complement of RCD's / RCBO's and is "unsafe" and/or "dangerous"

Part P is under Building Regs legislation...

Whether you choose to be in a scheme or comply via the LABC route it is everybodies choice as a scheme does not make you any more competant or professional

 

[Richard Andrews]

Any customer who finds trades through My Hammer deserves what they get. Employing only the cheapest tradesman, using the cheapest materials is never going to produce the best results.
I prefer to be referred by recommendation and quote reasonably to do a quality job.

Word of mouth - can't beat it! I'd love to get back to some industrial stuff though....

 

[Richard Andrews]

What about those of us who need to get experience before we will be considered for registration? How are we supposed to gain that experience if it becomes a closed shop? I understand that doing it this way costs because the BC have to be involved if we are not registered, but I just don't see any other way of becoming 'competent' in the current economic climate.

My pre-part p run up was 3 building control notified jobs and the cost of 3 PIR's to satisfy BC's requirements prior to the Part P assessment and my testing being assessed.....

 

[Voltimax]

Do you know I have worked in this trade for 20 + years. I have been self employed for 9 of those. It never ceases to amaze me in all that time that not once has a potential customer asked to see my qualifications, or ask if I'm registered with any type of body.
It is true customers do get what they deserve for the most part, because they're only to happy to get the cheapest quote. They don't care if in the process laws are being broken, but as soon as things go wrong for them? Well they scream blue murder!

 

[Risteard]

Compliance with BS7671 means verifying the work - how many DIY-ers have calibrated test instruments?

I wasn't talking about DIYers. My point is an Electrician does not have to be a member of a club.

DIYers may not be competent to legally undertake electrical work.

 

[kung]

I got NIC regist last yr and up 4 renewal in about 3mths since then ive had 2 jobs ! 1 light change and another fault trace repair. What a waist of money its been for me ! i have put a few ads out and contacted about 120 people that i done work for when i was with southern electric but no dice ! if i wasnt working at the mo in my main job id be up S creck without a paddle ! i thought i would get regd as i was being offered lots of work at that time just before the recession hit then it all went Ts up ! do i waist more money this yr getting recertified/regd and take a chance or do i just stick to company sparks with a bit of OT as and when ? mabe im being gready trying to get work in my spare time either that or unlucky or doing something wrong ! i dunno. Anyone else having these probs with no work since membership to justify another year ?

 

[Voltimax]

Electricians don't have to be members of 'clubs' it's true, but it's fashionable

 

[m25maintenance]

older sparks are allowed to work without part p as they can prove they have been in the game for a long time. part p is just another way for hm gov to put people in work

 

[DurhamSparky]

Kung im in same boat mate, i do 4 on 4 off and in 4 days off i do my business but most of my work i do is of small quantity that i cant justify going self employed!

i really want to jump but i cant afford to lose my house and take the gamble!!

 

[pushrod]

Some excellent posts on this thread particularly IMO by DES 56 and VOLTIMAX. To my mind, this idea of competent person schemes seem a bit lacking (putting it politely) . From what i can gather you can do a 3 week scheme , learn how to use the BRB and then take an assessment from a scheme provider, who wants your £400+, on jobs you provide and then be deemed competent to be turned loose in people's homes!

There is no way i would consider myself an electrician yet, and yet it seems that i know more, in some cases, than people who are classed as competent .

Eventually when i have finished my c&g 2330 level 3 (2 weeks to go) and done a 2391 i might put myself out in the market place to do a few small jobs just to supplement my income . However, there is no way i want to join a competent persons scheme because i would only envisage doing a few jobs a year and it would not be worth the outlay. So with what will then be 2.5 years of training i could find that i am not classed as competent and yet someone who has done a three week course is!! Will i have wasted my time - if i knew then, what i know now i wonder if i would have even started training

Strange system we have here IMO.

 

[kung]

Kung im in same boat mate, i do 4 on 4 off and in 4 days off i do my business but most of my work i do is of small quantity that i cant justify going self employed!

i really want to jump but i cant afford to lose my house and take the gamble!!

Yep mate i did the same and almost lost my house ! having said that i know a guy who got assessed in an hour and passed and is a domestic installer ! after he rang me up asking if id help him with a part rewire as he didnt have any exp in rewires ! he gets loads of jobs and wife doesnt need to work and still manages to keep a BIG 5 bedroomed house going etc etc where as mine lasted half a day and im fully qualified sparks (20yrs) does make you think doesnt it ? he gets masses of work and i get none it might help us if ONLY domestic installers had to do assessments and we didnt need to join a crap scheme as our exp/quals/etc etc should satisfy building control torso's that we ARE competent to work without the need to join a scheme ! IT really grinds my gears
I have nothing against domestic installers (The good ones) but some i wonder how they ever got deemed competent im just waiting to join a domestic installer gas scheme ! Maybe this system might work better if it worked like corgi did and gas safe ! its funny how everyone and their nan knew what that was and the requirements and even gas safe that hasnt been about as long as part p but ask everyone even know what part p is and most think your taking the P ( how true) All people can do in electrics compared to gas ! IT should be the same in our game !!!!!!! no reg no touch ! The trouble with our game is everyone inc the nan will do some electrical work nowadays ! I should have been a plasterer ! most people wont touch that stuff and no scheme no cals, no building control, no expencive test gear or tools !!!!!!! What do you think ?