R U Part P registered?

[Richard Andrews]

MyHammer, Rated People, My Builder...All are sources of work, but those without Part P credentials, etc., are doing YOU out of your membership fees by undertaking Part P works.
I have been through MyHammer for jobs within 200 miles... Many jobs require Part P credentials, but those bidding would seem to have "unchecked" C&G qualifications. What's C&G's to do with Part P compliance? Others state they have undertaken a 5 day EAL Part P course, but do not mention Part P registration with any of the bodies concerned...
Today I have emailed MyHammer (who sponsors Channel 5's "Cowboy Builders" and have informed them they are providing an avenue of work for cowboys. I also sent the email to Channel 5 and Rated People.
I am one man - together we are many! If you see an ad where potentially unregistered person(s) are responding would you take just a few minutes to inform the site (MyHammer/My Builder, etc) and protect our livelihood against those who choose to break the law.
Together, we can make a lot of noise and somebody will eventually listen!
I have informed MyHammer it's simple to check my credentials - simply phone NICEIC.
Get it together and do YOUR bit for compliance! Do your bit to safeguard YOUR income! Do YOUR bit or SUFFER the consequences..............

Richard of Andrews & Co

 

[m25maintenance]

i done 2330 level 2 and 3 , 17th wiring regs,part p. i know i still have loads to learn, but i do just minor jobs and maintenance. but as some guys said, i never get asked to show papers, ok just once when i done some work in a shop below a big office building the engineers askes for them. tom dick or harry can start trading tomorrow. my adverts always warn customers to ask to see id and papers

 

[ezzzekiel]

there is no way i want to join a competent persons scheme because i would only envisage doing a few jobs a year and it would not be worth the outlay.

cant really agree the only outlay is approx £400 a year- not a huge ammount. If youre planning on doing only a few jobs a year you will still have the additional costs anyway, liability insurence, test equip, calibration etc... so the only difference is the part p membership fee.

Not that i agree with part p as i dont its a shambles and a disgrace.

my opinion any fully qualified spark holding 2330 3 (or equiv) 2382 and 2391 shall be deemed fully competent and not need to join a scheme anyone without all of these quals should need to be monitored more closely and be a member of a scheme provider to ensure they are complying with bs7671 and works are to the required standard.

nothing personal to you pushrod maybe you do non notifiable or go through labc i dont know, just having my say.

having said that even qualified sparks can be rubbish so they should also have yearly assesments but for a minimum fee or similar.
and any1 not having an authorised id card and carry out elec work and get caught should be severley punished with no formal hearing -NO CARD YOU SHOULDNT OF CARRIED OUT THE WORKS GO DIRECTLY TO JAIL.

end of rant
nearly just one more thing on issue of id card you get sealing pliers ffs

 

[pushrod]

nothing personal to you pushrod maybe you do non notifiable or go through labc i dont know, just having my say.

Hi ezzzekiel, i don't do any work as i'm retired - that's why i am on here in the middle of the day Training to be a properly qualified electrician is more of a hobby that probably won't lead to other things. What i do want to be able to do is help out family and friends and do my own property. I don't mind the thousand quid i've spent on kit or even the cost of calibration of it, but i do object to not being allowed to do what i will have spent over 2 years training to do without paying an extra tax of £400+ to some club that i don't even want to be a member of .
What i'm hoping for is when i have got all my qualifications is to approach the LABC and see if they will recognise me as a competent person even though i am not under the umbrella of one of these schemes, I know it is possible in some parts of the country just don't know if my local authority will do it

 

[andyb]

having said that even qualified sparks can be rubbish so they should also have yearly assesments but for a minimum fee or similar.

I agree ezzzekiel, also , when you have your yearly assessment they should check to make sure that you have insurance and test equipment and that your test equipment is calibrated. Oh yes and also that you have the latest regs book and part p documentation and test your knowledge of the regs and look at your certificates.

I've seen this somewhere before, just can't place it at the moment.

 

[ezzzekiel]

What i'm hoping for is when i have got all my qualifications is to approach the LABC and see if they will recognise me as a competent person even though i am not under the umbrella of one of these schemes, I know it is possible in some parts of the country just don't know if my local authority will do it

excellent response and hopefully they will, my local labc accept my certs unfortunately i often work under other labc controlled areas so cant avoid part p.

not sure if its of help but Napit do a just 10 scheme which allows you to be partp and sign off upto 10 jobs per year at a cheaper membership fee.

otherwise i agreed with your original post and was just expanding on it.

 

[pushrod]

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not sure if its of help but Napit do a just 10 scheme which allows you to be partp and sign off upto 10 jobs per year at a cheaper membership fee.

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Had never heard of that - if my LABC won't recognise me as competent that could be just what i need

 

[UNG]

The question that needs to be asked is

Has Part P made domestic electrical installations safer, I think not, I've seen quite a few non compliant installations carried out by Part P scheme registered electricians / firms

Part P as a job creation scheme, yes it has worked very well as all the scheme providers have increased their staff levels to administer it, don't know if the LABC's have more staff, and there are plenty more feeding off Part P

If you are going to have a registration / licencing scheme then it should be all electricians not just domestic and only one provider / approved body not like the current Part P system

All in all Part P was badly thought out and badly implemented when it was introduced and is no better now

 

[Voltimax]

Actually its Napit just 8.
You only get 8 jobs a year.

 

[ringer]

ezzzekiel (and others) how did you get your LABC to accept your certs? Do you need a few paid-for LABC inspections to build up a track record first?

 

[ezzzekiel]

i did lots of work for builder so was in regular contact with inspector who after a while just said he will accept certs without problems, but you can supposedly take copys of your quals into labc and they will accept them without partp

 

[ezzzekiel]

Actually its Napit just 8.
You only get 8 jobs a year.

yeah i knew the 10 didnt sound right

 

[nickrose106]

Looking to do my part p, as i want to come back onshore

 

[kung]

I also find hardly nobody asks for quals even proof of scheme membership ! couple of weeks ago i went to a call out and this woman who had 3 young kids said she cant afford to take chances getting someone in to do electrical work that wasnt qualified ! as i was fixing loads of faults she never onece asked to see my papers and relied on an advert flyer i put through her door telling her i did some work at her house when employed at SEB and she'd just moved into the house ! anyone can see a sold sign outside a house and wait till new people move in and do the same ! if people are slack in getting people to prove themselves then the unlicenced cowboy will still get work !

 

[mickytuff]

I totally agree with you johnboy, the set up for qualified electricians having to continually subscribe to a part p scheme is ludricus,and as for the other option (notifying LABC) thats no better either, so it isnt realy an option at all!!!!, this subject in hand totally p...sses me off. I fully agree that work should be randomly inspected to prove competance and that all work is carried out to code, if there is substandard work found that is out of bs7671 relm then of course remove them from the trade until compliance is met, there is a better way forward for us sparkies to make ends meat, instead of handing hundreds of pounds over to money grabbing schemes year after year, this isnt the way forward, safety is paramount to us all, i firmly believe that serving an apprenticeship, attending all required courses and passing all exams with over 15 years experience makes me competant to work on domestic, commercial, or industrial installations, if that alone doesnt prove competance then what does!?, sorry for winging on..........just anoys me folks

 

[kung]

Agreed ! if your a fully qualified sparks then taking your quals/J.I.B card along to the LABC should be all thats needed to be put on all building control registers that your deemed competent and from then on you just notify them of jobs done then they can visit any sites to check the work as and when they want. This would let us just get on with what were qualified to do AND spent yrs learning and sitting exams ! if its good enough for C & G, J.I.B etc why should we be robbed by scheme providers ?