rcd on commercial

[telectrix]

usually, i would say yes, but imagine an office full of dumb blonde secretaries, pinning things to walls. in that situation, i'd be inclined to fit RCD protection to everything. each situation needs to be evaluated and installation completed using common sense as well as the regs.

 

[infinity]

Yes but dumb blonde secretaries are probably even more likely to hire a professional to hang pictures rather than risk a serious nail injury?

 

[Stroppy]

Skilled/instructed could be used in, say, a factory where the socket is restricted to authorised workers plugging in a known tool or load, but in a showroom where the public go, non-electrically-savvy office staff will be plugging in four-way extensions, computers, fan heaters, lit display stands, reps laptops, cleaners with their wet-vacs and God knows what else.... Far too uncontrolled to say they are all skilled/instructed.

The question should be: is there any compelling reason not to install an RCD? Such as the electronic testing lab situation.

 

[telectrix]

Yes but dumb blonde secretaries are probably even more likely to hire a professional to hang pictures rather than risk a serious nail injury?

bend a nail, you can hammer it straight again.

 

[scotsparky]

I'm assuming from your sobriquet, that you may well have worked as an electrician in the Navy.
Not being an Andrew myself, I don't have much experience of on board electrics.
Considering how much water is about on boats and ships, how many RCDs were fitted on the boats and ships on which you served.
Dare I ask how many people serving in the Navy have been fried because of a lack of RCD protection?

as a ship is really a in TN-C system RCDs cant be used on ships. the Hull is the neutral and earth. Well it was when i worked in the yards wiring frigates
Totally different regs see BGB Reg 110.2

 

[telectrix]

only on metal hulled ships. with wooden hulled ships, they were TT, the anchor being the earth rod. when under sail, nelson had to do without his morning toast as the ship had no earth and health and safety wouldn't allow the electrics to be switched on. even an RCD would not have stopped him losing an arm and an eye, and finally getting shot.

 

[scotsparky]

BGB does not apply to boats and marine craft. Besides i am sure Nelson would be classed as a skilled or trained person therefore nor RCD requiered

 

[SAILOR48]

I'm assuming from your sobriquet, that you may well have worked as an electrician in the Navy.
Not being an Andrew myself, I don't have much experience of on board electrics.
Considering how much water is about on boats and ships, how many RCDs were fitted on the boats and ships on which you served.
Dare I ask how many people serving in the Navy have been fried because of a lack of RCD protection?

No never been in the navy (I have a boat its 48ft long)
I run a company that specialises in Garage works shops and showrooms.
I would have thought that a ship with water in it would probably be sinking.
Do they not have special fittings with high IP ratings
May be fit them in to the show rooms? Or do you not think that situations with wet or damp floors need any extra consideration?
In Portsmouth, sparkies when they come across a botched job, say it must have been done by a docky or a skate

 

[Deleted member 26818]

So you have a boat, but think that a ship with water in is sinking.
You have a company specialising in garages and showroms, but think an RCD is a requirement.

 

[SAILOR48]

So you have a boat, but think that a ship with water in is sinking.
You have a company specialising in garages and showroms, but think an RCD is a requirement.

If you look in the bottom right corner you will see “Reply With Quote” if you click on this, it will put what I have written up, and then you could write something yourself and people would be able to read it.
Its very good idea saves a lot of time.:tongue3:

 

[Deleted member 26818]

So you have a boat, but think that a ship with water in is sinking.
You have a company specialising in garages and showroms, but think an RCD is a requirement.
You use a forum but think the only way people can read what you have posted is for other people to quote you.
Anything else to add to the list?

 

[kingeri]

This thread is hilarious.

 

[Plonker 3]

If you look in the bottom right corner you will see “Reply With Quote” if you click on this, it will put what I have written up, and then you could write something yourself and people would be able to read it.
Its very good idea saves a lot of time.:tongue3:

:whatchutalkingabout:whatchutalkingabout:whatchutalkingabout:whatchutalkingabout:whatchutalkingabout:whatchutalkingabout

 

[MDJ]

This thread is hilarious.

Just wait until Friday, things will heat up with this thread by then, another 20 pages of hilarious banter without doubt

 

[SAILOR48]

So you have a boat, but think that a ship with water in is sinking.
You have a company specialising in garages and showroms, but think an RCD is a requirement.
You use a forum but think the only way people can read what you have posted is for other people to quote you.
Anything else to add to the list?

So you can’t work the quote thing never mind (It’s really useful for you it will advance you’re trolling no end)
I have thought of a joke
What do housebashers have for lunch?:laugh:

 

[Engineer54]

Think i'll stay out of this one!! ...lol!!

 

[SAILOR48]

Oh go on you have got lots of chums who will join in as well( I crave attention)
What do housebashers have for lunch?
Several answers
1 Its in the green book, did you not find on your 17[SUP]th[/SUP] ed test?
2 Cheese and rockwall sarnies.
3 Ham and brick dust sarnies.
4 Nothing its to dark in the loft to find it.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

My question about adding anything else to the list was rehtorical.
I really didn't expect you to come up with something else you don't have a clue about.
The list of things about which you haven't a clue so far:
boats,
electrics,
forums,
humour.
Anything else?

 

[SAILOR48]

My question about adding anything else to the list was rehtorical.
I really didn't expect you to come up with something else you don't have a clue about.
The list of things about which you haven't a clue so far:
boats,
electrics,
forums,
humour.
Anything else?

Housebashing obviously
OH OH I’ve just thought of another one.
How do you recognise a housebasher when he’s in the pound shop?

 

[Engineer54]

Just wait until Friday, things will heat up with this thread by then, another 20 pages of hilarious banter without doubt

Think you were right!! lol!!

 

[SAILOR48]

Think you were right!! lol!!

I knew you couldn’t resist.


How do you recognise a housebasher when he’s in the pound shop?
His humpty back, white complextion and he has no knees (No sexism intended but a woman wouldn’t do the job, too bright)

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Housebashing obviously
OH OH I’ve just thought of another one.
How do you recognise a housebasher when he’s in the pound shop?

Sorry doesn't count, we've already added the fact that you are humourless to the list.
You'll have to think of something else.

 

[SAILOR48]

Sorry doesn't count, we've already added the fact that you are humourless to the list.
You'll have to think of something else.

Could I ask you a question.
Why are you on this forum every day for weeks on end? Have you no girl/boy friend, any work to do, no hobbies?
I like a lot of people come on here when they want to know something or are bored.
I only come on for a look usually and to have a bit of fun winding up the trolls, when I am on Holiday.
Not day after day weeks on end racking up thousands of posts.
Open the curtains look out side big world, lots of things to do and see.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

Could I ask you a question.

No you can't.

Can I ask you a question?

 

[MDJ]

I like a lot of people come on here when they want to know something or are bored.

Trouble is Sailor if everyone thought like you there would be nothing to see here haha, the fact some guys spend time here is due to the fact they like helping genuine apprentices or electricians with problems, where would the forum be if everyone had 10 posts and only popped on once and a while whilst on holiday.

 

[Robert Turnbull]

Think i'll stay out of this one!! ...lol!!

Me to I'm just watching the fall out.

 

[SAILOR48]

If you look at the rules (No No not the green book put it down) of the forum you must answer my question first then you can ask me one .

 

[SAILOR48]

Trouble is Sailor if everyone thought like you there would be nothing to see here haha, the fact some guys spend time here is due to the fact they like helping genuine apprentices or electricians with problems, where would the forum be if everyone had 10 posts and only popped on once and a while whilst on holiday.

Maybe true but what are you doing on here. I see from your web page you have a proper company and you live in a nice area and you belong to the NIC. Ha Ha
That’s a scam don’t you know you are wasting your money, it’s not official, no one takes any notice of it give it up.
There I’ve repeated some of the advice given on here by respected 5000+ experts on here.

 

[Deleted member 26818]

If you look at the rules (No No not the green book put it down) of the forum you must answer my question first then you can ask me one .

I have answered your question.
The answer was "No you can't".

 

[SAILOR48]

I have answered your question.
The answer was "No you can't".

Oh go on stop sulking

 

[SAILOR48]

I am at twelve trees crescent next week do you want a couple of days work?

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I am at twelve trees crescent next week do you want a couple of days work?

Sorry already booked.
Four weeks work starting tomorrow at regents place.

 

[MDJ]

Maybe true but what are you doing on here.

I often sit on my laptop at night with my ear plugs in so I cannot here the wife telly or kids, the noise is deafening in here at times, the lap top allows me troll my 2 sites, play chess with friends from around the world and watch threads like this with bigger trolls than me lol

 

[SYKRAPS]

So is the correct answer to the OP 'NO' as long as the outlets are to be used by skilled or instructed opperatives?

And it is the responsibility of the client to make sure that all opperatives are trained or supervised sufficiently?

Very funny thread btw............

 

[Deleted member 26818]

I guess the correct answer is: whatever you as the installer decides.
BS7671 doesn't require RCD protection, if the persons using them are considered skilled or instructed.
Yes it is the responsibility of the employer to ensure their employees have the training or supervision to carry out their work activities safely.

 

[Guest55]

Awesome thread lol !

I'd give it up sailor48 , spinlondon has well and truly torpedoed your forum boat. ;-)
and trying to make it personal makes you look daft.

Gotta love spin , his interpretations of bs 7671 are the without doubt the most accurate on this forum.

 

[SAILOR48]

I often sit on my laptop at night with my ear plugs in so I cannot here the wife telly or kids, the noise is deafening in here at times, the lap top allows me troll my 2 sites, play chess with friends from around the world and watch threads like this with bigger trolls than me lol

Oh don’t neglect the kids I spent many hours with My two boys tucked up in a cosy cabin half way across the Atlantic studying BS7671, when we got to the windies they could recite it chapter and verse (Little clue there for those in the know)
Trouble is one became a doctor the other a race car driver, but what the hell they have wasted there lives but it was there’s to waste.
When I think they could have been scratching about in a loft and living in a council house, are well what you going to do kids eh who’d have them.

 

[SAILOR48]

Awesome thread lol !

I'd give it up sailor48 , spinlondon has well and truly torpedoed your forum boat. ;-)
and trying to make it personal makes you look daft.

Gotta love spin , his interpretations of bs 7671 are the without doubt the most accurate on this forum.

Are a Northern Monkey
Yes all true but he has to live in slummy East London my heart goes out to him and to you.

 

[Stroppy]

Oi, we don't all live in a council house!!

I live in a caravan

 

[SAILOR48]

Oi, we don't all live in a council house!!

I live in a caravan

I would rather live in a box on Guernsey, that a mansion in London.