rcd sockets

[shocked]

Hi All
just need some backup really .
if asked to wire a new socket internally off the old ring main with no rcd( and bs3036 fuses) . i'm pretty sure the new socket should have an 30ma rcd incorporated in it .
yes or no

thanks all
john

 

[Mac]

Hi All
just need some backup really .
if asked to wire a new socket internally off the old ring main with no rcd( and bs3036 fuses) . i'm pretty sure the new socket should have an 30ma rcd incorporated in it .
yes or no

thanks all
john

That's fine mate,if the customer doesn't want to pay for the CU to be upgraded.Make a note on the cert.

 

[wot]

I think MAC is generally correct, but if the socket could be used on portable equipment outdoors or is within the new bathroom distances then I would put on a RCD/RCBO.

Wot.

Other locations in a domestic would be a code 4, not complying.

 

[High Tower]

As long as the socket is a replacement, if it is a new socket to be spurred off a existing ring, then even fitting a rcd socket would not protect the supply cable if it was chased hence would not comply with regs, if it is a new spur then fit a rcd spur from the ring main and then a standard socket

 

[Amp David]

What would you do if the customer refused to have the RCD'd FCU fitted?

Do the job, but note it on the cert?

 

[High Tower]

Is it just a case of fitting a new face plate or do you need to install a new length of cable that is not replacing a existing cable????

Its a important tecnicality as it decides weather you would be breaking regs.

If its just the customer wont pay for a upgrade but the works would still meet regs then i would carry out the install and make a note.

However if the new socket is a addition to the ring and will involve spurring off with new cable then that cable needs protecting with a rcd, either surface mount the cable in trunking or fit a rcd spur before the cable if it is to be chased

Personally i would rather walk away from a job than jepordise my business by falling foul of the regs

 

[Yooj]

I Agree with High Tower....any new circuitry including additions to existing circuits need to conform to the 17th...see this link: Alterations and Additions in Domestic and Similar Premises. Pay particular note to items EDA1, EDQ3 and EDA3. Each of these also reference the specific regulation.

Yooj

 

[Risteard]

if it is a new spur then fit a rcd spur from the ring main and then a standard socket

What's protecting the cable feeding the RCD?

 

[High Tower]

If a rcd spur was used it would have to be sited immediatly next to the socket supplying it with no burried supply, anything before that is classed as exsisting and isnt a issue, this is why sometimes its just a lot easier to change the board

Id be interested what Mac says when he gets back, he might have a better idea that i havent thought of

By far the esiest is running the spur surface mount in mini.

 

[Mac]

I Agree with High Tower....any new circuitry including additions to existing circuits need to conform to the 17th...see this link: Alterations and Additions in Domestic and Similar Premises. Pay particular note to items EDA1, EDQ3 and EDA3. Each of these also reference the specific regulation.

Yooj

I had a look at that link,why can't you install an RCD socket on a non RCD circuit.The OP didn't specify what purpose it was for.I read the other 2 posts on this link,still can't see a problem.This is the link.
Where socket-outlets are added to an existing circuit that is not already RCD-protected, either the circuit will need to have RCD protection added, or the new socket-outlets must incorporate RCD protection (except for a socket-outlet designated for a particular item of equipment, such as a freezer). However, refer also to EDQ3 and EDA3.

 

[High Tower]

I had a look at that link,why can't you install an RCD socket on a non RCD circuit.The OP didn't specify what purpose it was for.I read the other 2 posts on this link,still can't see a problem.This is the link.
Where socket-outlets are added to an existing circuit that is not already RCD-protected, either the circuit will need to have RCD protection added, or the new socket-outlets must incorporate RCD protection (except for a socket-outlet designated for a particular item of equipment, such as a freezer). However, refer also to EDQ3 and EDA3.

Fair comment Mac, however as the cable suppling the new socket would also be classed as a new installation would this also no need protecting by means of a RCD unless its going to be surface mount in mini
??

 

[Mac]

The OP didn't specify again where the socket was goingI would use an RCD spur off the socket intended to feed this socket and install a normal socket.Socket is protected and so is the cable.Still waiting for the OP to reply to see what exactly he was using this socket forOh and in between these posts,i'm trying to cook dinner

 

[High Tower]

The OP didn't specify again where the socket was goingI would use an RCD spur off the socket intended to feed this socket and install a normal socket.Socket is protected and so is the cable.Still waiting for the OP to reply to see what exactly he was using this socket forOh and in between these posts,i'm trying to cook dinner

Anyone for pizza??? lol

 

[Mac]

Anyone for pizza??? lol

Pepperoni and garlic bread

 

[High Tower]

Pepperoni and garlic bread

Im a ex chef so i hate cooking and try my best not to do it if i can help it